A few highlights from part one of this lunchtime's encounter:
David Davis promises to tackle difficult issues head-on - like tax.
David Cameron accuses DD of appealing largely to core voters. He promises, instead, to tackle other issues like climate change and childcare.
DC stressed the support of 115 Tory MPs - including William Hague and Liam Fox. He said that he hoped to bring the "stars" of the Conservative Party into his shadow cabinet. He promised not to oppose Labour where Labour's reforms were in the right direction.
DD said that there was a real danger in backing Labour's timid education reforms - which were already being watered down further. He said that Conservatives must not be accomplices to Labour when it puts forward 'second hand car' legislation.
DC responded by saying that Conservatives should not be voting with Labour's Old Labour dinosaurs when Labour's "timid" reform measures were being debated in parliament.
DD warned DC that his policy shifts on immigration and tuition fees were open to charges of opportunism.
DC said that if Conservatives did not learn the lessons of election defeats, the party would be defeated again.
Policy shifts on Immigration...can anyone explain? I didnt think he had shifted.
DC's strategy of supporting Labour to encourage rebellion is clever but I dont like it.
Posted by: James Maskell | 20 November 2005 at 13:14
James, I think it's a reference to Cameron's backpedalling on the elction commitment to withdraw from the UN Human Rights Convention - a policy he originally created IIRC.
Posted by: James Hellyer | 20 November 2005 at 13:17
James Hellyer is right. The policy shift was discussed on Thursday's Newsnight interview.
Posted by: Editor | 20 November 2005 at 13:19
Davis is winning comfortably, Cameron is too general and starting to sound like an old-fashioned wet.
Posted by: Cutting taxes win elections | 20 November 2005 at 13:19
Isn't the point about Cameron that he isn't an old-fashioned Wet, he's a modern Wet?
Posted by: Observer | 20 November 2005 at 13:26
Cameron is doing better than he did on Newsnight, but he's still rambling.
Posted by: Elena | 20 November 2005 at 13:26
Sorry, I'll stress I meant the Newsnight debate with Davis.
Posted by: Elena | 20 November 2005 at 13:27
Why did they pick Repton as the venue? Because a minor public school would upset Davis and Cameron equally?
Posted by: Henry Fitzpatrick | 20 November 2005 at 13:34
I'm glad David Davis picked up on Cameron's inconsistency. Quite frankly, inconsistency is one of the major flaws in Cameron's agenda IMHO and I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it. There was Cameron preaching about the importance of being consistent and not appearing opportunistic, when Davis neatly stopped him in his tracks by pointing out that he's been performing U-turns left, right and centre with regards to abandoning policies he co-ordinated for the 2005 election. Bullseye!
Posted by: Daniel Vince-Archer | 20 November 2005 at 14:45
Wasnt Repton where they famously had the Grammar School vote and the parents voted to continue it as a Grammar School?
Posted by: James Maskell | 20 November 2005 at 16:43
That was Ripon.
Posted by: Interested Observer | 20 November 2005 at 16:44
Thanks Observer...
Posted by: James Maskell | 20 November 2005 at 16:50
"Davis is winning comfortably, Cameron is too general and starting to sound like an old-fashioned wet."
Isn't this the tone of Westminster village talk from about 10-20 years ago? I've never in fact bothered to find out what the "wets and drys" labels (slurs?) were all about, but strangely it's never stopped me getting Conservative candidates elected lately... but I'm sure that this does make us all sound like braying Tory-boys sometimes. Not good! All we need is the guy at the back, shouting "sound, sound..." as if he wants us to turn the speakers up!
"with regards to abandoning policies he co-ordinated for the 2005 election. Bullseye!"
No, Bull-something-else. David Frum (a former speechwriter for GW Bush)once said that "the first reaction of a political part, when rejected by the elctorate, having offered ham & eggs, is nearly always to offer double ham and eggs".
The policies we offered in 2005 were broadly unconvincing to the electorate when offered under our perceived brand, and were rejected accordingly. In the aftermath of that rejection, does anyone really want us to offer more of the same? Or should we listen, learn and change?
Posted by: Richard Carey | 20 November 2005 at 23:07
"The policies we offered in 2005 were broadly unconvincing to the electorate when offered under our perceived brand, "
Not really, both major parties seem to have agreed to hold a policy-free election and not discuss certain themes.
The electorate had a joke manifesto from Labour full of hot-air and a Conservative offering of slogans. It was a Baldwin "Safety First" election - stick with the devil you know or risk the Tories and their secret agenda as propounded by Howard Flight.
Noone trusts the Tories not to do it all over again, and the simple fact that they are the Political Establishment in the South-East makes it easy for other Parties to attack them and pretend to be the Outsiders - the fact that Labour has built a nice Establishment of its own has not detracted from the fact that Thatcher played The Outsider to win over frustrated voters.............Cameron can never play The Outsider.
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