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Tory T

"... the jackbootConservatism your posts have embodied" - examples please, Mr Hellyer, or are you in the smear business?

John Coulson is clealy a very confused individual. He's a pro-European who strongly supported the Eurosceptic post-Major leaders. And he's a man who doesn't want a "party of expediency and moral corruption, with no set of guiding, underlying principles" yet is attracted to the Lib Dems!

James Hellyer

examples please, Mr Hellyer, or are you in the smear business?

Try this:

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/commentators/2005/11/dean_godson_the.html#comments

tough on crime and its causes

I think it's important for the new leader to allow the new shadow home secretary the opportunity to develop a message that is tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime, so Jeffrey Archer should stay out.

Tory T

For the benefit of the 99% of readers who can't be bothered to trawl through the old posts that James Hellyer has provided a link to, let me explain.

I criticised those Conservatives who advocate weakness in the face of terror or totalitarianism. Quite how wanting to resist the jackboot makes me a "jackboot Conservative" I'll leave to Mr Hellyer to explain.

James Hellyer

"I criticised those Conservatives who advocate weakness in the face of terror or totalitarianism."

And supported the government's proposed measures including detention without trial, as well as making startlingly inappropriate comparisons with WWII in order to justify this authoritarianism.

Godwin, much?

Tory T

Well, I suppose if you regard giving the police and security services the powe:r .to detain certain terrorist suspects for 90 days (in the midst of fiendishly complex investigations aimed at preventing a repetiton of 7/7) as deserving of the epithet "jackboot"...

Editor

Can we stay on the subject please?

Tory T

Fair enough. One of the main reasons why I'm opposed to allowing Archer to rejoin is that there appears to be little, if any, sense of remorse for his crimes. His entire political career has been built on bombast, self-centredness, conceit and bullying. Thank goodness Cameron (in marked contrast to so many other senior Tories) seems unwilling to accept the charlatan at his own estimation.

malcolm

Rick I was wrong about you.Your continual mocking smart arse remarks used to irritate me but now rather make me laugh.Are you a comedian in 'real 'life?
There are more than a quarter of a million Conservative members in this country,how many of them have a criminal record think you?

Mark Fulford

John C - please would you expand upon why a Cameron led Conservative party would be "the party of expediency and moral corruption, with no set of guiding, underlying principles"?

Rick

Malcolm I see you are irredeemably stupid, does the word irony have any meaning for you ?

malcolm

Oh come on Rick,you can do better than that.I was paying you a compliment,the ability to amuse is a great skill to have.Are you a comedian in your professional life?And no, I'm not being ironic!

Cameron Cameron Cameron

Coulson blogs 'I was a ferocious fan of Michael Howard, IDS and William Hague. They are all Conservatives. Cameron is not....'

If such a fan, then why not follow their lead and support Cameron? I see self destruction in your views Mr Coulson. Mr Archer can help maybe - another Conservative with a self destruction gene.

Do you mind terribly if the rest of us try to survive?

cameron cameron cameron


Can Jeffrey Archer explain what he wishes to achieve by rejoining the Party? What does he have to say about his past misdemeanours? Does he wish to reenter the Party to influence its policies? If so, in what direction?

Some kind of statement of remorse about the past would be appropriate, and some kind of a personal mission statement - and then a new leader can see what the feeling is in the Party.

I think that Lord Archer should demonstrate that he will be useful and a plus to the Party before being allowed back in.

What's the story Jeffrey? Are you a headache in the making? or do you have something interesting to add to Britain's social commentary?

What is Jeffrey Archer for?

Are you a dinosaur of the 1980's? Or do you have any relevance to the future?

malcolm

I think Archer simply wants to sell his book and this was one way in which he could gain publicity for it.Cameron has in my opinion behaved entirely correctly in this matter,although I see the BBC and the more lunatic gringe of anti Cameron opinion on this blog have ignored that.
It is interesting that David Davis was not,as far as I'm aware asked his opinion on the matter.

malcolm

Sorry about the typo I meant 'lunatic fringe',you know who you are!

James Hellyer

"I see the BBC and the more lunatic gringe of anti Cameron opinion on this blog have ignored that"

Would you care to tell us who said Lord Archer should receive the Conservative whip, as opposed to simply not opposing his party membership, Malcolm?

malcolm

I've no idea James.Why don't you enlighten us?

James Hellyer

If you have no idea, then when are you saying that an anti-Cameron lunatic fringe has said his decision is incorrect?

Rick

Are you a comedian in your professional life?And no, I'm not being ironic!

but I was being ironic at 13.14 on 26th November........

I'm sure many other members have criminal pasts, and the only difference here is that Archer's is well known.

Posted by: James Hellyer | 26 November 2005 at 11:42


I find it disturbing that the Conservative Party has so many members with "criminal pasts".........how can you be so sanguine knowing that birds of a feather are flocking together ?

Posted by: Rick | 26 November 2005 at 13:14

malcolm

They haven,t but it would be nice if for once if the lunatic fringe applauded his correct decision and as I mentioned they have ignored it.

Derek

Are there any precedents of former prisoners returning to front-line politics? Archer's return would result in a lot of negative publicity, so I doubt if any Leader would agree to it. I can well understand those who have said they would accept him back in a spirit of forgiveness. We live in an age of relativism, rather than absolute values of the past. Jack Profumo realised there was no way back, and in his day he was right.

George Osborne said on today's Politics Show that a Cameron-lead Party would not have Archer back in front-line politics, so there we are. I always liked Jeffrey, he was an excellent speaker and a real character, but it is easy for me to say, "give him another chance", as I don't have to make the decision, or suffer the consequences. Still, we do need some extra financial help. Perhaps we could send him to the EU in return!

Rick

Jack Profumo realised there was no way back, and in his day he was right.

and the works he has done since being in politics make him a far more impressive man indeed ! He deserves respect.

Chris Palmer

Quote: Tory T - "John Coulson is clearly a very confused individual. He's a pro-European who strongly supported the Eurosceptic post-Major leaders. And he's a man who doesn't want a "party of expediency and moral corruption, with no set of guiding, underlying principles" yet is attracted to the Lib Dems!"

Best post ever! and so true.

BW

Being relatively new to this site it is clear to me running through the posts on a number of threads, that there are active LibDem or Labour members setting out to cause trouble.

Maybe some of the IP addresses are actually for p.c.'s at Millbank....

I think everyone knows the indivuals, or 'names' rather that I refer to.

I am not referring to someone based on what potential leader they are supporting, lets make that clear.

I am referring to the tone and confused nature of some posts that have let the cat out of the bag.

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