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 Ted

Al G

But think of all the trees the DC campaign is planting to remain carbon neutral! At this rate we'll have a good sized Tory Forest somewhere - hopefully in the North East so we can say we've got a sizeable presence there!

at least he's on time - if DD is late for another hustings after the fun the sub editors had today....

Daniel Vince-Archer

"And no wonder Cameron is on time, he is flying everywhere. He will, I understand, be flying from Newcastle to York today."

I wonder what his unelected, unaccountable quango (sorry 'powerful new independent body') that will rescue the world from the threat of climate change would make of this?

Derek Martin-Butt

Hearing the 2 Davids at the Walker Stadium was uplifting. Reading the blogs above was not. It is probably less important who wins than to ensure that whoever wins, a new-style united conservative party convinces people to vote for them in the next election. If the split in the Labour Party widens, the next election might not be 4 years away (no confidence votes can happen)

michael

Derek, who 'up-lifted' you most?

Jack Stone

You can tell its finally dawned on DD`s supporters that there man is going to lose and the fight is up when they start to turn on the media and start to swear that black is white if it suits there cause.
Members are I think voting for David Cameron because they know he is the person who can lead the party back to power.
My advice to those who might still be considering voting for Davis don`t.Vote for David Cameron and give our new leader the overwhelming victory he needs to give him and the party the perfect start to our journey back to power.

malcolm

Probably the most convincing argument of the many I've seen Jack!I hadn't realised you support Cameron,tell me why?Again and again and again.

michael

Malcolm, I can give you 111 reasons why undecided members should support David Cameron.

a-tracy

Michael its the 250,000 voters that matter now - not the 111!

michael

a-tracy I agree. The 111 Cameron MPs are going to matter more over the next few years.

Francis Maude warned David Davis in Oct 2003 that if he won a leadership election with minority support from MPs, but with a majority of votes of constituency activists he would find himself isolated as leader. It would be another IDS situation only worse.

Sure the Party members will decide this and there are a 1000 other reasons why we should elect David Cameron. But I strongly believe that the best chance we have of uniting the Party - members and MPs - should be a key consideration.

Gareth

I seem to recall the Davis-ites were only too keen, back in the summer, to tell us that it was essential that the leader had the support of a majority of MP's. Strangely, it no longer seems to matter.

a-tracy

Can I remind you of this Michael:

(5) Other opponents of change have questioned the representative nature of the current parliamentary party. Iain Duncan Smith: "In the days when the party had MPs in every corner of the country, it might have been reasonable to argue that they should elect their leader. It is questionable whether that argument is as appropriate today. Our seats are overwhelmingly in the shires and suburbs of England. If Conservative MPs have the final say, Scotland will have one vote in the election. Wales will have three. England will have 97 per cent of the electorate... None of the electors will represent Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, or Birmingham. Furthermore, constituencies we must win at the next election will have no voice."

see http://conservativehome.blogs.com/tenthings/2005/09/post.html

michael

Sure a-tracy its a valid point although not relevant to the one I make, which is about Party unity. Everyone pulling in the same direction and all that.

Gareth

If the membership were more representative of the country, then there might be something in that argument a-tracy. Unfortunately, the membership is, if anything, even les representative of the country than the parliamentary party.

The average age of the MP's is considerably lower than that of the members. I've always been persuaded by the argument that the MP's know the candidates best and that, as in the case of IDS, it's simply impossible to lead the party without the support of a majority of MP's.

We all know IDS harbours resentment about the way he feels he was treated and I'm afraid I read his comments in the light of that resentment.

malcolm

I was beiong facetious Michael,as I'm sure you aware.I'll be going to the London hustings and will cast my vote the day after.Not that it will make much of a difference,unless I'm very much mistaken this contest is over already.My hope is that Cameron will be wise and pick the very best of what the Conservative party has to offer when creating his Shadow Cabinet.My fear is that he will reward his friends for fighting a skilfull leadership campaign which I think would be a dreadful mistake.
Camerons' lack of skill in debate as witnessed on Question Time is a serious failing and will be badly exposed unless he has very able people around him.
A commitment to have a shadow cabinet 'of all the talents' will go a long way to ensuring he gets my vote.

michael

The other point I should stress is that for the genuinely undecided at this late stage must surely mean they are pretty evenly torn between the two candidates. If that is the case, then my point about casting your vote in favour of Party unity is one to be considered.

michael

So was I malc. Am sure Cameron will, but make sure you put the point to him. He wants Hague back, so that's a good start.

Selsdon Man

Andrew Robathan is giving a left-handed clenched fist salute. Weird!

Al G

Remember that when I go campaigning in Leeds in May, and anyone else in areas where we're backs to the wall (not actually the case in Leeds, locally anyway) I am the one who has to persuade people we have the right leader, not Michael Gove!

Also, quite how MPs who live and work in Westminster are more representative than the membership, who live and work all around the country, I don't see.

Ageism aside, how old is the average Britain now? It must be pushing 50.

 Ted

Al G
According to National Statistics Office it was 38.4 in 2003 (spookily enough very close to DCs age at the time!)

Al G

Hmm. I must be spending too long in graveyards and retirement homes...

Sean Fear


However, if you confine yourself to the electorate, the average age is about 50 (as you exclude the under 18's); the average age of the voters in general elections (allowing for higher turnout among older age groups) would be c.53, and in local elections it would be in the high fifties.

wasp

Yes there's nothing wrong with having the grey vote as your base but I fear with conservatives it is because of history not policy.

Al G

In ten years will we still have the grey vote?

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