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Elena

It is for this reason alone that I have some aversion to Cameron: I don't want the party turned into New Labour - I want it to be a viable alternative to New Labour.

I am very interested in what David Davis has to say and I hope he manages to bring across some of his ideas and policies at conference. I know that he doesn't have the best image among the contenders, but I can understand why he is favourite.

Selsdon Man

No Blairism for me!

I want a leader committed to rolling back the state - at national, local and European levels. The free market is the true localism. Individualism is the only answer to the nanny state.

Daniel Vince-Archer

The Times today also had a piece about Cameron being Blair's natural successor. Why is this seen as a good thing? I don't want the Conservatives adopting the stomach-turning Blairite approach thank you very much and neither should anybody else who is sick of being governed by a plastic, unprincipled grin merchant who is more slick than and just as oily as a punctured petroleum tanker.

James Hellyer

All of this marks out why David Cameron should not be Conservative leader. To use his own words, “Like Coca-Cola, get the real thing.”

Why would the elctorate want a New Labour knock off when the real deal is still on offer?

Ronald Collinson

James (and, for once, Cornerstone) have it exactly right: aping New Labour would not work electorally, and, more importantly, would be just as much a betrayal of our roots as New Labour is of socialism.

Rawnsley is deeply unfair to David Davis. Reading his speeches, and putting them into the context of his past comments, it is clear that he is simply talking about updating policies so that they are suitable for this century. He promotes 'timeless Tory values'. Cameron wants to see a fundamental change, which is something quite different.

malcolm

What is Blairism? To me it seems just a Clintonesque view of the world where the only thing that matters is remaining in office.It is government by focus group and triangulation from the left and right.
Blair often talks a marvellous game but it is all really irrelevant rather as the delivery never matches the rhetoric ...to put it mildly.
I predict that Blairism will match the legacy of Bill Clinton which lasted all of five minutes.
I hope that none of the candidates seek to ape Blair because that would mean they are fundamentally dishonest and the first task of whoever wins is to try and restore some honesty to British politics.

James Hellyer

To me it seems just a Clintonesque view of the world where the only thing that matters is remaining in office

That also sounds like Majorism!

AnotherNick

Cameron is not copying Blair - it is given the electorate a leader that they want.

David Davis is never going to be prime minister. Ken Clarke shows little desire for Tory policies.

What Cameron provides is an electable moderate who's policies have their origins in Conservative thought. He is not a Blair-clone, Blair introduced moderate ideas that came from Left-wing thought.

One Question everyone who dismisses Cameron as a Blair-clone needs to ask themselves:

Would you rather a moderate Prime Minister from a Conservative background or a Labour background.

Mark Fulford

Can anybody explain to me how David Davis is going to win us an election? Personally, I can't see him winning a single vote off Gordon Brown.

Selsdon Man

I want a PRINCIPLED Conservative Prime Minister.

AnotherNick

Selsdon Man: You want principles.... how about the following -

"what matters most is that children are brought up in a stable, loving home"

"shared responsibility; that we’re all in this together; that there’s a ‘we’ in our politics as well as a ‘me.’"

"fairly sharing the fruits of economic growth between lower taxes and strengthened public services"

"More choice, competition and local autonomy must be matched by strong leadership to raise standards."

"Britain has always done best when she engages ethically and enthusiastically with the wider world."

Some chap called Cameron was going on about them:-)

Jack Stone

Of course David Davis won`t win a single vote from Brown or become Prime Minister because he just doesn`t speak the language of compassion and change that the electorate need to hear from the party.

Davis is incapable of doing that because I think he still thinks the solutions of the seventies and eighties are the answer to our problems today.
If the party choose Davis as leader we will once again be sitting discussing the leadership once again in four years time or personally I suspect even sooner.

Selsdon Man

Another Nick, most of these quotes are soundbites not principles. Even my friends in the Cameron camp would agree!

a-tracy

MF - Can anybody explain to me how David Davis is going to win us an election?

I'll have a shot even though I'm not a particular cheerleader for DD! I watched him on that Marr Sunday programme this morning and thought he did well to point out that he held a difficult seat in the North against plenty of campaigning by the opposition parties, I wonder if the others could have done that? I liked the Beer quip too.

"He seems an alright bloke" is what people tell me when I ask what they make of him.

I would also say that taking back your own property, re: "Where Blair was a kleptomaniac of Tory language, Davis is engaged in grand larceny of the Blairite verbal wardrobe", is called retrieval where I come from not grand larceny, and at least he has the bottle to do it.

malcolm

A brilliantly incisive post Jack.I think you are able to eloquently sum up what all of us on this blog are thinking.Personally I am wondering if we should have a leadership election at all.We all look forward to Brown becoming Prime Minister and if we are really lucky we will have Prescott as chancellor.

"The Tories are already on the road to that acceptance. The minimum wage, Bank of England independence and the increased scale of health and education spending have already all been accepted."

Not by true Conservatives! The policies of so-called independent bank of England (it is still nationalised) have given us unprecedented private indebtedeness.

Selsdon Man

"David Cameron is closer to being Blair's successor than David Davis. His public service reform agenda lacks the radicalism of David Davis' emphasis on sweeping change. Mr Cameron appears to have accepted that the public won't support radical reforms."

They will when they are fed up paying for failure.

James Hellyer

"what matters most is that children are brought up in a stable, loving home"

Has any politician said that wat matters most is that children are brought upin an unstable, uncaring home?

"shared responsibility; that we’re all in this together; that there’s a ‘we’ in our politics as well as a ‘me.’"

What Conservative has argued for atomistic individualism?

"fairly sharing the fruits of economic growth between lower taxes and strengthened public services"

What does this mean?

"More choice, competition and local autonomy must be matched by strong leadership to raise standards."

This could have been said by anyone in the Conservative party.

"Britain has always done best when she engages ethically and enthusiastically with the wider world."

What does this mean?

Most of these are just soundbites that either say something so nebulous as to be meaningless, or so obvious nobody would deny it!


James Hellyer

They will when they are fed up paying for failure.

Which may happen soon. Not long ago the government admitted that the public were in danger of losing trust in the NHS. People had seen increased spending unde this government, but hadn't noticed a matching improvement. I was noted that if they didn't see it soon, they would lose trust in the system.

AnotherNick

"Britain engaging ethically with the world" isn't a principle - crikey what is?

I certainly prefer to here David Cameron set out his principles than I do listen to David Davis pretend to be a compassionate conservative.... this is the same guy who ignored party policy and publically said he supported the death penalty in the middle of the Soham murder trial. Now if that is what you view as principled then I and a lot of others are in the wrong party. It was cynical opportinisum then and I do not trust David Davis to run this country - neither will the electorate.

Does Ken offer principles? No Ken offers Ken.

Liam Fox does offer principles, no argument there, but will they be the principles that can see him be Prime Minister - I genuinely don't think so, but am not certain.

So please tell me what more you want from principles than David Cameron has given because all I can hear is the same old soundbite of "that's not a principle that's a soundbite"

Selsdon Man

"Britain engaging ethically with the world" isn't a principle - crikey what is? You need to define "ethically". Otherwise it is meaningless.

Selsdon Man

"this is the same guy who ignored party policy and publically said he supported the death penalty in the middle of the Soham murder trial. Now if that is what you view as principled then I and a lot of others are in the wrong party."

I do not support the death penalty but if you exclude those that do, you will be excluding a large proportion of the membership and the electorate.

James Hellyer

"Britain engaging ethically with the world" isn't a principle - crikey what is?

A meaningful and clear statement. That isn't one, because both the type of engagement and the nature of ethics are undefined. It's little more than a hollow soundbite.

Now if that is what you view as principled then I and a lot of others are in the wrong party.

Has anyone cited that as an example of a principled stand?

AnotherNick

There is a difference in supporting the death penalty (which I don't) and publically stating it in the middle of a high profile highly emotive court case when there simply was no reason to.

James Hellyer

Agreed. But I don't see anyone arguing that this is an example of Davis being principled.

Where's Wat when we need him?

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