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Selsdon Man

Roman Skuplak - I have not seen him for 20 years since our days in FCS. He was, I think, I right-winger then.

John G

Good backing for Ken but he needs MPs now. Everyone accepts that he'll have a good chance in the country. But that knowledge could cause him to lose support in parliament.

malcolm

Let's hope they are able to put some pressure on their MPs.It is interesting that many of these people are Conservatives in Labour held seats.They may well have a better appreciation of what is needed to win an election than some stockbroker belt MP.

tom

steady on old chap...

Daniel Vince-Archer

""This seems rather good-humoured compared to what I've come to expect!"

About time too! There has been too much abuse recently for my liking."

Well I could have made a fuss about the paedo/gay comments but there seemed little point. Note how I also managed to resist pointing out those comments came from a Cameron supporter... oops I just did!

malcolm

I was in the FCS 20 years ago Selsdon,what's your real name?

Barry Graham

Simon, (re your question a few comments back, which I've only just read), I take your point re Europe.
Personally, I'd have rather DC had taken the DD approach on withdrawal from the EPP and let the MEPs decide.
But there's surely no doubt that Fox has been the one going out of his way to raise Europe as an issue and actively parade his Euroscepticism as a selling point when, in my view, we should be focusing on other things.
As for the left-right thing being 'old hat', I made the point earlier in (I think, the Cameron 92 group thread below) that this is a hackneyed defence from Fox supporters.
They have to say it, but if you court and attract the Cornerstone vote, then you can't deny the right-wing tag.
OK, Fox has good ideas on things like mental health etc but don't delude yourself that that is why Leigh et al are supporting him.
It's down to staunch Euroscepticism, abortion, the Union Jack at schools proposal and the 'don't trash the brand' stuff, which translates as 'there's nothing much we need to change'.

Selsdon Man

"Note how I also managed to resist pointing out those comments came from a Cameron supporter... oops I just did!"

I honestly don't think that is relevant. The Cameron team are a liberal lot. Mind you, there a few openly gay men in the Davis camp.

James Hellyer

Please define exactly what you mean by "right wing" Barry.

Selsdon Man

Sorry for that unintended pun!

Selsdon Man

Malcolm, it was actually nearer 25 years I am sad to say!

Those were days when we successfully ran NUS disaffiliation campaigns and engaged in Trot baiting. What wonderful fun it was in FCS.

Mark Fulford

...comments came from a Cameron supporter... oops I just did!

But Daniel, I'm sure you'll be even-handed enough to point out that it was also a Cameron supporter who instantly called those same comments idiotic and pathetic ;-)

Barry Graham

James, You asked me pretty much the same question at the start of the thread. I think I answered it then and in my most recent comments.
It's what I say are the reasons for Cornerstone backing Fox, in short the 'faith, flag and family' mantra.

A more appropriate response to your question might be 'why, again?'

James Hellyer

Because you are using "right wing" as a repeated critcism of people and their supporters. I dispute the use and applicability of that label.

It's an obsession with Europe, and an authoritarian stance on abortion, drugs, lifestyle etc.

An obsession with Europe? Remember how Labour used to oppose EU membership and how the "left" of that party still does? Are they right wing?

An authoritarian stance on abortion, drugs, lifestyle etc.? Please define what an authoritarian staceon these issues is and how you've established that it's a preserve of the right.

Nelson, Norfolk

I enjoyed reading all the comments. I feel that now would be a good time to rate the candidates out of ten on the following skills:


DC DD LF KC
Leadership skills 10 6 8 7
Communication 10 6 8 8
Presentation skills 10 7 8 8
Appearance 10 8 8 6
Ability to unite Party 10 8 8 5
EU policy 10 10 8 5
Overal policies 8 10 8 6
Electability 10 7 7 5
Total score 78 62 63 50

What do you think?

Adrian Sherman

Thanks for that 'Caviar Cameron' press release, Nelson.

Nearly as objective as that crock of cr*p Newsnight put out last week, by American Luntz. This was BTW the same 'polling expert' who managed to convince Lynton Crosby that the Tories were going to win the election. Good lord, how anyone can take anything this guy comes up with, is beyond me.

Barry Graham

James, with the best will in the world, I do have better things to do than constantly justify myself to you, as if you were my parent or teacher. I think it does betray more than a little self-importance on your part and it's getting quite boring, too.

But ... against my better judgement ...

Yes, you get Eurosceptics on the Labour left, too, but it's come to be associated more with the Tory right because the right in our party never shuts up about it.

As for the right-wing, authoritarian thing (again), it's about opposing any liberalisation of laws on abortion, gay rights, drugs etc. But, I think you know that, James.

Daniel Vince-Archer

"I honestly don't think that is relevant"

True enough Selsdon. But seeing as gratuitous digs at Caviar Cameron and his supporters are my stock-in-trade, I didn't want to let my critics down by passing up that opportunity!

"But Daniel, I'm sure you'll be even-handed enough to point out that it was also a Cameron supporter who instantly called those same comments idiotic and pathetic ;-)"

Of course - a Cameron supporter instantly called the comments of another Cameron supporter idiotic and pathetic! Far be it from me to point out disunity in the Cameron camp ;-)

James Maskell

Thats interesting news on the Council Leaders. Our MP (Roger Gale) supports DD but our Council leader (Sandy Ezekiel) supports KC.

Selsdon Man

"Thanks for that 'Caviar Cameron' press release, Nelson."

I have to agree with that - 78 out of 80 - that's abit OTT.

DC and LF appear to have an identical EU policy but you give LF only a 8 but 10 to DD.

The criteria are biased towards presentation (communication and appearance are part of that).

James Hellyer

James, with the best will in the world, I do have better things to do than constantly justify myself to you, as if you were my parent or teacher. I think it does betray more than a little self-importance on your part and it's getting quite boring, too.

But ... against my better judgement ...

Yes, you get Eurosceptics on the Labour left, too, but it's come to be associated more with the Tory right because the right in our party never shuts up about it.

As for the right-wing, authoritarian thing (again), it's about opposing any liberalisation of laws on abortion, gay rights, drugs etc. But, I think you know that, James.

You have to keep justifying yourself because you keep using meaningless phrases in an attempt to denigrate people with different views. What you describe with Europe is not a right wing position - it's one held by many on the left. It's a eurosceptic or eurorealist position. Similarly the social views you decry are held by people on the left and right, and therefore cannot be a defining characteristic of "the right".

It really seems to be little more than a derogatory shorthand for any Conservatives who don't hold your views!

AnotherNick

Crikey you lot have been busy on here today, along the way I've had a few comments to add, so really briefly....

Jonathan Sheppard mentioned a lurch to the right wouldn't happen under David Davis. I think he is right (sorry correct) in one sense, a further lurch to the right wouldn't happen. But in the eyes of much of the electorate we lurched a long time ago and we need to gradually come back to the centre - David Davis doesn't strike me as the man to do that.

Major praise to everyone on here who has tried to stand up against the smeary nature some have given this blog recently. I'll hold me hands up and admit I've been dragged into a few of the arguments but with a week to go before we know who the two will be lets focus on the positives of the candidates and not fall into the easy trap of smearing the other candidates.

Indeed it was pleasing to hear that the MPs showed their distain for such tactics when one MP was targetting (allbeit indirectly) Cameron yesterday.

Afterall when all is said and done, Dave & liam can still have a knock about on the tennis court!

andy

So the ID card is going to cost us just 30 pounds, which means another 1.44 billion of indirect taxation, if you don't include the under 16's. Methinks that we have a question for the panellists on Question Time tonight which will of course include DC. Has this figure been rounded down so that on average it will cost only us 30 pounds a year, because the card has a life expectancy of five years, and that the actual cost on purchase will be closer to the 170 pounds estimate that was given by the LSE? If so then this 14.4 billion would surely be enought to fill Gordon's black hole.

andy

sorry! should read 7.2 billion not 14.4 billion

carol

Great article on the Once More blog about David Cameron. It sums up my misgivings exactly. Wish it could go to all MPs and Party members.

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