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Midnight Blue

A Fox / Cameron final 2 would be the best possible scenario. Firstly it would present a clear choice and secondly whoever won would look far fresher and contemporary than we currently do - or would if DD/KC/MR were to win.

Jack Stone

Personally I always thought that Liam Fox was a total failure as Shadow health secretary.
Not only did he fail to sell tory policies well enough he simply could not get it over to the public just how much the government have failed to reform and improve the health service.
With his far right views on the EU and bizarre views like making schools fly the Union flag I don`t believe he would unite the party or attract moderate voters voting for the party once again.

Simon C

Jack,

We have been though this before on this site. If you look at MORI's site you will find that the Party's figures on public trust in relation to health improved significantly whilst Liam was the shadow health spokesman.

Editor, is there any way we can trackback somehow, to avoid re-running old arguments. Any ideas?

Fox Blogger

I'm with Midnight Blue on this - Fox / Cameron gives the party a clear choice.

Jack Stone

What people need to bear firmly in mind about David Cameron is that he as been getting praise from both the party`s friends and enemies.
People from all backgrounds and political allegencies like him, they like what he says and they think he is genuine.
It seems to me that if the MP`s want to win they must put him forward to the final ballot.
I think at the end of the day people have turned against Davis and towards Cameron because people simply want to win so very much.

James Hellyer

I don`t believe he would unite the party or attract moderate voters voting for the party once again.

Which is the opposite of what Ferdinand Mount thought when he contrasted Davis's "more prisons" approach to crime with Dr Fox's commitment to stop the penal system failing the mentally ill. Which is more likely to appeal to a wavering liberal?

James Hellyer

What people need to bear firmly in mind about David Cameron is that he as been getting praise from both the party`s friends and enemies.

And how will he fair when those enemies return to form? At the moment he's a Tory running against Tories. The Indie, the Guardian and the Beeb won't be so fawning if he's up against their men.

Editor

(Sorry, Simon - I can't remember when or where that discussion took place)

James Hellyer

"That's why you want a blog-specific search engine, google or similar!" the ungrateful site user said contemptuously.

Samuel Coates

IDS and the CSJ were being praised all around in a political phone in, in the very early hours of this morning. (Five Live - "Up all night")

Nelson, Norfolk

After watching all the candidates speeches I have now come to the conclusion that a Cameron/Fox contest would be good for the Party and the country.

DD has blown it. His team is even too lazy to update his blog and his web site is a throw-back to the early 90s. His speech almost sent me to sleep.

As has been said if DD cannot manage his campaign in a professional manner people will take the view that he will not be able to run the country in a professional manner.

With his links to tobacco companies KC would be branded the merchant of death, anti-health and a throw-back to the past at the next general election. He would simply lose us votes. Also I feel that his EU views would split the Party from top to bottom.

Let's have a real choice. It's got to be a Cameron/Fox contest.

MPs, please give us, the members, that choice. For the record I am backing Cameron.

MPs be brave. Go for the above suggestion.

Nelson, Norfolk

Just a note to say well done to everyone for making this blog available.

The design of the site is very good and the content and overall style is of a very high standard.

Well done everyone.

Daniel Vince-Archer

"Also I feel that his EU views would split the Party from top to bottom."

While I don't disagree that Ken Clarke is a potentially divisive figure, there has been more negative reaction to Cameron's emergence as a real contender in the leadership race than there has been for the other contenders.

It's interesting to see that the first candidate to have a group blogging against him (in the form of the Conservatives Against Cameron's 'NewLabourisation' blog at http://stopcameron.blogspot.com) is David Cameron - surely an indicator that he too has the potential to be a divisive candidate?

Martin Curtis

From what I saw at the conference the two that got the most out of it were definitely Fox and Cameron, but chatting to people in and around the party Fox is not as popular as some may think and I do not think he has a chance of being in the final 2.

The issues about Clark and the tabacco industry will haunt him - especially if the media opens up the disgraceful conduct of the tobacco industry in the Far East. The point was made somewhere on the Beeb that KC could have taken a position with any PLC in the Country and for some reason chose BAT.

I personally think it will be a DC/DD run off amongst the Party. KC lost out in the hustings last time because he was too stuck in the past (as was his speech this week), my feeling is that memories of IDS will mean that if DD fails to inspire at the hustings he will lose out.

I have to say before conference I was leaning towards Davis, afterwards I am leaning towards DC. DDs speech was OK, but needed to be more than that, but I also saw a less than inspring appearance from him at a Reform Fringe meeting the day before his main speech and that set the alarm bells ringing.

John Sheldon

As a deserter of Davis for Cameron I'm simply going with the current tide, it seems.

However, I cannot agree that a Cameron/Fox run-off would be a good thing. Liam Fox didn't strike me as having any more charisma of leadership qualities than Davis. He's just clearly on the right-wing of the party and therefore, in the current climate, can't win a general election.

The final run-off should be between Cameron and someone else who does have a chance of winning, or it will simply be a showpiece.

Therefore, Davis or Clarke would be more preferable. If it was Davis/Cameron it would be a final challenge for Davis to turn it around and show he's got some fight and other qualities - if not charisma. If Clarke got to run against Cameron it would test Cameron's 'wet-behind-the-ears' no experience tag, against the great 'beast' Clarke.

Both these latter two are popular and occupy the political ground that has the best hope, at present. We need to find out who is really the best among them.

malcolm

Have any polls been peen taken since the Conferences.I would be interested to see if there has been any bounce in support for David Cameron or Liam Fox amonst the electorate as a whole rather than political anoraks like us!

Daniel Cowdrill

I also support Ken Clarke purely because I don't see an alternative.

Although I originally supported Davis, that was a long time ago when many simply presumed that Davis would go on to succeed Howard.

Now there is another David and the 'Big Beast' himself. I would go for David Cameron, however, his serious lack of experience is a serious problem. His good performance at the conference this week has glossed over the fact that his only experience is a five month period as shadow education secretary. He is a good politician, but he needs to mature, possibly behind a more experienced figure like Ken, who it seems he shares the centre-ground with.

I am deeply concerned that Blair to begin with and a renewed Labour government once Gordon Brown takes over, will outdo a Cameron lead opposition. If he fails to make much progress he may go the same way as Hague did in 2001.

Play safe, use Ken's experience and heavy weight reputation to take the fight to Blair and Brown. By the time Cameron takes over Clarke will have dented Browns' repuation, making it easier for him to win an election in the future.

At the moment we need Ken.

Henry Cook

I think some are wrong in saying Cameron's agenda is a 'Newlabourisation'. It his closest ally, Osborne, who set up the commission to look at flat tax. It is another of his allies, Gove, who has proposed a radical education voucher system. It is Cameron himself who insists that marriage should be supported through the tax system. He is a strong eurosceptic - as his praise of William Hague shows. He combines this with a reborn One-Nation Conservatism (although not named as such) which has a far greater and longer tradition than the American neo-conservatism some are trying to adopt.

wasp

I still don't see anything to differentiate Fox from Hague except Fox is not quite as good as Hague.

A labour member friend that I met at conference thought that Cameron was the only one blair and brown would be scared of. Thats good enough for me.

AnotherNick

"As a deserter of Davis for Cameron I'm simply going with the current tide, it seems."

Welcome aboard the good ship Cameron!

It is a good thing that Cameron faces some scrutiny now becuase you can be damn sure he will get plenty from Labour if he is elected. But lets not turn scrutiny in to anthor Tory hounding out session. There are some on this site who are keen Fox fans, now I think it is very unlikely Fox will make the last two, but I hope the winner will take not of Fox on what he said about domestic violence and human rights. Rifkind isn't going to win, but by pushing the one nation agenda he has made sure it is beginning to come back into the minds of the public. I could go on Davis has something to offer so too do umpteen potential candidates Lansley, May, Duncan etc. etc.

I've never quite worked out what Ken has to offer, but to be fair he's always worth listening to.

But what none of them have is the natural leader-like charisma of David Cameron. I don't want to see this battle as the David Cameron camp against the other camps, but the David Cameron camp for the good of the Conservative Party.

David Cameron is a Conservative who can take us into power. And that 'us' includes his tennis buddy Liam, Flatter Taxer George, One Nation Malcolm, and so on and so forth.

There will be a winner in this contest and I very strongly hope it is David Cameron, but there will not be an individual loser. The only loser will be the party if we fail to get back into government.

"I've never quite worked out what Ken has to offer"

Popular appeal, experience, a successful track record in office, wisdom...

Cameron's a nice boy, and can do all that touchy feely stuff like you'd expect someone who's only real job was some media type thing, but seriously, it's like the work experience boy trying to stage a boardroom takeover.

"I've never quite worked out what Ken has to offer"

Popular appeal, experience, a successful track record in office, wisdom...

Cameron's a nice boy, and can do all that touchy feely stuff like you'd expect someone who's only real job was some media type thing, but seriously, it's like the work experience boy trying to stage a boardroom takeover.

AnotherNick

"it's like the work experience boy trying to stage a boardroom takeover."

And as the press have noticed he is doing it very well:-)

Elena

It all depends on electoral arithmatic. Rifkind's declaration could prove pivotal to the race.

Basically, it's a fight between Cameron and Clarke for the top spot. Cameron looks to have enticed more MPs to his cause this week, but both he and Clarke still fall short of the safety net they really need.

Davis has often said that he does not want his supporters to rig the final ballot a la Portillo. But if he still has surplus MPs when the time comes, surely it will be tempting to go to the country against Clarke as opposed to Cameron?

There's going to be a lot of dodgy-dealing and it depends which side the coin lands on.

Elena

When I say "top spot" I basically mean second place - sorry for being confusing!

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