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Sean Fear


Yes, it does look as though Liam is out.

Max

What the heck has happened to justify the latest betting market? Has someone got hold of the results?

Chris

There are 4 years to go to develop the policy details.
Is it too much to hope for that this time around the competing tribes can pull together?
For 4 whole years? I must be dreaming...

On the drugs thing we know that "tough" on drugs doesn't work, so the only option is to legalise and spend the (enormous) savings on education/rehab etc.

Sorry about Leah Betts, but I don't see what her Dad's views have to do with anything.

Let BAT organise the distribution!

paul d s

Michael Spicer has been on to his bookie...

Barry Graham

I respect the editor a lot for his even-handedness in the campaign and for his running of this excellent site - but I have to agree with Wasp. Fox may be full of integrity but to back him still sends out the message that it's the voters, not our party, who have to come to their senses.
Another right-wing leader (I'll be castigated for describing him thus, but every strand of media opinion labels him thus and his backing from Cornerstone just confirms it), will spell another electoral disaster.
Does the most fervent Fox supporter (step forward Mr Hellyer) really believe in his heart of hearts that Fox can win a Gen Elec, or is he merely the figure whose vision most closely resembles your one?
I think if you're honest, you know he can't win, barring a monumental Labour cock-up
We have to change, not wait for Labour to mess up. Therefore, it has to be Cameron.

James Hellyer

Another right-wing leader (I'll be castigated for describing him thus, but every strand of media opinion labels him thus and his backing from Cornerstone just confirms it), will spell another electoral disaster.

Firstly, Cornerstone members have supported every candidate other than Ken Clarke. By your reckoning the party must be doomed as they all therefore represent lurches to the right...

Secondly, it's not being right wing that lost the last two elections (I'm still waiting for someone to tell me how our big spending skoolsnhospitals programme from '05 was right wing). What lost the electiosn was bad and inconsistent strategies, and fighting the election on issues that were tangential to the electorate.

Does the most fervent Fox supporter (step forward Mr Hellyer) really believe in his heart of hearts that Fox can win a Gen Elec

Yes, so stop trying to say what other people think - there's a good chap.


wasp

I think, remind me if I'm wrong, but Cameron was at university when the arguments about joining the ERM where doing the rounds.

The hillarious thing about Fox is that he proposed a conservative foreign policy that avoided the myopia with the EU but then keeps going on about the EU at every opportunity.

James Hellyer

I, think, remind me if I'm wrong, but Cameron was at university when the arguments about joining the ERM where doing the rounds.

After Black Wednesday, while working for Norman Lamont, David Cameron wrote a memo arguing that Britain should re-enter the ERM.

carol42

I don't get all this stuff about great leadership qualities being obvious before the event. Did anyone see what Margaret Thatcher would become when she became leader of the opposition? I certainly didn't. It is impossible to tell before they actually are in power. Tony Blair was a wonderful speaker and can still surprise me with some of his speeches at the time. Yet what has he actually achieved that will stand the test of time. Much of what he is trying to do now is just going back to what he stopped when he got in ie grant maintained schools and foundation hospitals, Tory policies lumbered with targets. Margaret Thatcher was not a good speaker until well in her premiership and Davis or Fox may well be the same. Who knows what Cameron will be like, I think he could be good but it is just too early to tell and would be a terrible gamble. I just hope whoever it is the rest get behind him and don't do what they did to IDS because they didn't want him and he failed to grow in office. My great fear is that Cameron will be destroyed by Blair, Brown and their media friends and then what do we do? I think Davis or Fox would have more authority.

henry curteis

KC and DD are on the way down. LF and DC are on the way up. If that logic prevails the run-off will be between LF and DC.

Over a period of nearly 7 weeks, the content-rich programme of LF will prevail over the image-blank DC. Conservative members care about policy, and they are the ones who will decide the winner,not Rupert Murdoch and the Labour-friendly media.

James Maskell

Rumours of a tie for 3rd according to the BBC! There has been a delay in the announcement of the vote. It may well be nothing but Nick Robinson has said that it could be that there is a tie and that the re-run will have to be on Thursday. Taken me by suprize.

David G

Just in case no one has posted the results of the MPs' ballot:

David Cameron 56

Kenneth Clarke 38 Eliminated

David Davis 62

Liam Fox 42

James Maskell

The rumours were wrong. Kenneth Clarke out by 4 votes.

Daniel Vince-Archer

Ouch!!!

Richard Allen

That's an adequate result for Davis but a very good result for both Cameron and Fox.

James Maskell

Andrew Lansley disappointed. Davis down slightly on declared support. DC has a very good round. Congrats to Liam Fox.

James Hellyer

Davis got less than his delcared 66 votes. Doctor Fox will now be after his backers...

Daniel Vince-Archer

Andrew Lansley just pointedly refused to back David Cameron.

James Maskell

Hes just found out his favourite just got beaten. 30 seconds after the result he was asked what he would do. I wouldnt be very happy either.

Nicholas

I think Lansley said his members wanted to see Clarke and Cameron in the final. Now Clarke isn't an option, I took his comments to mean he would back Cameron.

Mark Fulford

You like to make an issue of Cameron's involvement in Black Wednesday. At the time, Cameron was 25 and fresh from college. He was full of ideas, many of which were good, some of which were bad, all of which are now public. Norman Lamont's role was to sift the one from the other.

There's all sorts of youthful talent on this list. By your standards, if they put a foot wrong in this public forum it should still haunt them in 13 years...

kris

An excellent result, now hopefully Davis' supporters will continue to haemorrhage and support Fox, and we'll end up with a nice Cameron V Fox final round, and a Cameron/Fox alliance. Just what i want.

Mark

Well it's goodbye Tories, and hello LibDems for me!

James Maskell

Really the Lib Dems? Are you really sure? Even if I left the Conservatives I wouldnt even consider the Lib Dems.

Daniel Vince-Archer

Davis has just hinted that some of his supporters voted tactically. But in a nice touch, he has commisserated with Ken - will Cameron do the same or crow about getting through?

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