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James Maskell

Is it me or does DD sound exactly like Kilroy?

James Hellyer

You like to make an issue of Cameron's involvement in Black Wednesday.

Not of his involvement in Black Wednesday, but rather his political judgement that Britain should re-enter the ERM.

And the memo wasn't for Lamont - it was political advice for the PM.

James Maskell

Cameron just finished. Nicely done. Open about charming Clarke supporters. Said thanks. Nice and easy.

RobD

I may be wrong but it looks to me like this result rules out any tactical voting in the third round. Clarke supporters could go anywhere but are most likely to move toward Cameron or Fox so surely Davis can't afford to mess around with his dwindling votes?

Daniel Vince-Archer

Nick Robinson talking up Cameron - what a surprise.

Mark

I don't particularly want to vote LibDem now, but when the tories vote more for Fox over Clarke, you have to wonder if the Conservative party really is in terminal decline. For me, it is truly shocking.

RobD

Mark, the reason Clarke is out is because Cameron took his natural voters, not because of Fox. Shouldn't you wait to see who Clarke backs and why before running off to a left wing party?

 Ted

Result shows a slight bias towards the so called right - 104 DD/LF v 94 DC/KC. it looks like DC will get highest vote in second round - can DD hold off LF?

Mark

Yes but more mps voted for Fox than Clarke. You know as well as I do that the dream final 2 were Clarke and Cameron. Now DC is undoubtedly going to win. This is a man with no experience, crumby catchlines and already a question-dodger before he's even become leader. Oh great.

Michael Smith

Cameron just finished. Nicely done. Open about charming Clarke supporters. Said thanks. Nice and easy.

For once I have to agree with you - he did so much better than the wretched Davis, who sounded smug and arrogant as usual, with that stupid reference to tactical voting. Please, please, please let it be a Cameron / Fox membership ballot!

abdul salam

I totally agree with the editorial. Dr Liam Fox is exactly the right candidate to lead the party at this critical time and I have confidence that he would make a great leader of the opposition and a PM. He is in tune with the nation and a real no-nonsense compassionate conservative. He should win. I urge all Tory MPs to see sense and vote for Liam. David Cameron is too new and without any substance and we cannot win with just youth and style. Davis is ok for the party but I don’t think the country will vote for him. He lacks charisma as shown by his conference speech. Whoever wins this contest should put all candidates in his shadow cabinet for sake of unity, talent and strength. We can win Fox. He has been underrated. Salam

John Hustings

Cameron doesn't appear so much to be "left-wing", as has been alleged, but rather a pragmatist, like Blair, who is willing to adopt whatever policies he thinks will be popular.

This has been the approach the government has taken for the last 8 years and I, personally, have had enough of it.

Mark Fulford
Not of his involvement in Black Wednesday, but rather his political judgement that Britain should re-enter the ERM.

And the memo wasn't for Lamont - it was political advice for the PM.

But still, you're keen to hold it against him. We're talking about events in 1992. We could dredge through all the candidates' pasts and find dodgy bits - especially if we're allowed to go 5 years before they stood for parliament.

And frankly, I think it's quite an achievement to have the ear of the PM at 25.

James Hellyer

But still, you're keen to hold it against him.

It's either illustrative of his principles or his pragmatism. Either way I don't like it.

And frankly, I think it's quite an achievement to have the ear of the PM at 25.

One shared by any number of CCO staffers or special advisors.

James Maskell

With the ERM and Cameron thing, hes providing advice here not taking drugs at Uni. This is a whole different animal. Hes giving advice to the Prime Minister. That means he has the ability to effect change which would affect the entire country. This isnt just about doing a bit of wacky backy at a Uni party. This is about Britains economy. His age is irrelevant here.

Howard Telford

Fox cannot beat Brown.

James Hellyer

Yes he can.

Richard Carey

"But more fatal, probably, was his recent tenure in CCO. Doing Howard's dirty work over eg Flight did him no credit with the hardline Eurosceptics or taxcutters."

Having worked hard at his job as Party co-Chairman is a disadvantage for Fox?

Regarding the "dirty work", Flight was (in my own personal view) an arrogant and annoying idiot, illustrated again by popping up in the media bleating repeatedly about legal actions after he had already and finally been removed from the candidates' list. Meanwhile many of us were trying to use the Bank Holiday weekend to campaign in our target seats, while confronted with damaging wall to wall coverage...

The Flight saga *did* show the need for Party reform, however - by which I do not mean centralisation, but the establishment of flexible, responsive constituency organisations that recognise that modern politics moves at the pace of the 24hr news media, and not at the pace of next month's meeting. Many meet this challenge already, but a few currently do not, and we should keep on striving to do better as a Party.

Mark Fulford
It's either illustrative of his principles or his pragmatism. Either way I don't like it.

James, I dread to think what you were like before 10 years of mellowing.

James Hellyer

I am as constant as the Northern Star ;=)

Marion Burdon

Quote:I find some of these postings quite odd and worrying. Finally the Conservative Party has a serious candidate for power from the public services-an ex NHS doctor. This should resonate in a party which has failed to address public services properly in the last two elections. This is one of the major reasons we have lost not being too "right wing." Instead we are sleepwalking to a Tory toff. You could not make it up! ....
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that is what worries me too
''...Instead we are sleepwalking to a Tory toff...''
why can't people see it if Conservatives really want to be elected?
As someone from B'ham, I would like to see someone without a southern accent as leader of the Tories and so would many voters...
yes, it's a psychological advantage, so many can't be bothered to study the actual details, voting records and listen carefully to speeches and read as much as possible about the potential leaders...
... we have to face it...sadly so many of the population don't read much and depend on soundbites...
so a northern accent can help..
his experience in the N.H.S. is invaluable...
I just feel he speaks for the ordinary person like me...

Fiona Pinto

Go Liam!

The only reason why Fox isn't leading is simply because the fashion is blowing in Cameron's direction at the moment. If people really looked at Fox and what he's said they'd see that his conference speech had substance and weight, compared to the literary effects of Cameron.

I'd rather have a politician who is prepared to say what he thinks and can articulate it intelligently, rather than another Blair who is all things to everyone. Better to be principled than merely popular. The voices of scepticism have already started with Alice Miles in the Times today "Harry and his half baked ideas"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1058-1832007,00.html

Daniel Vince-Archer

The Conservatives Against Cameron's NewLabourisation/Stop Cameron blog has now endorsed Liam Fox as well.

Marion Burdon

Quote:I'd rather have a politician who is prepared to say what he thinks and can articulate it intelligently, rather than another Blair who is all things to everyone. Better to be principled than merely popular
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Yes, that's what I've noticed too. (In the difference between Cameron and Fox)
I suppose in politics, some voters are going to be 'politically correct' ;)
rather than going by their deeper convictions... :(

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