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Rick

"+ Taxes are economic as well as budgetary weapons and need to be reduced immediately Conservatives win office."

They were raised savagely in 1980............ergo ?

buxtehude

I apologise for writing "Their other man Blair got it" - silly thing to write.

The real point is what the Editor just said: "If DD had a serious chance of winning he'd deserve as much scrutiny as DC, Alastair, but he doesn't."

We all know DD's weaknesses - surrounding himself with second-raters who comfort him, his inability to perform when it matters - and he has already paid the price of being a virtual certainty to get trounced.

On policy, DD is strong, so I would like to see Cameron match that strength. Is it too much to ask that he rise to a genuine challenge?

Jack Stone

The simple reason Skinner doesn`t want Cameron as leader is that he knows DC will be much more of a threat to Labour at the next election than Davis would ever be.
The last thing Labour want is for the Tories to have a rush of blood to the head and actually elect a leader that is capable of winning.

Rick

"for the Tories to have a rush of blood to the head and actually elect a leader that is capable of winning."

They have not had a good track record for some 15 years now............no reason to expect them to break their run of poor choices

Editor

You raise a really interesting point, Rick.

I hope the situation we inherit in 2009/2010 won't be nearly as bad as 1979 but if there was, for some hypothetical reason, a need to raise certain taxes that would not mean other growth-inducing taxes couldn't be cut.

The early Thatcher budgets increased VAT if I remember but simultaneously slashed the crippling marginal rates of tax on income and saving that were creating the brain drain etc.

This had immediate regressive effects but its medium-term, supply-side benefits to the whole economy were transformational.

I think we should be planning for tax relief across the board but if that was impossible there should still be tax cuts for the wealth-creating sector. A bad economic/budgetary situation actually makes them more important, not less.

Wat Tyler

Ed- from where I'm sitting, I seem to recall many times when you laid into DD- quite unfairly I always felt! But the point you make about DC now being the front-runner is absolutely right. It certainly ain't over til it's over, but DC is currently odds-on to be our next leader.

Yet we know so little about him, other than that sensational lack of experience. And we just don't know where he stands on some of the most critical policy areas.

You must continue to kick his tyres, and we just have to hope we start getting some answers. we really can't afford another blow-out on the Motorway.

(PS- that charge that DD has only just come up with his tax package because he's losing is completely false. I first heard him announce he was adopting the Reform "Growth Rule" right at the start of Conference week- ie when he was still the odds-on favourite.

I do realise my own record in such matters is not entirely clean, but for DC supporters to claim that DD is only announcing this "as cynical last gasp effort to save a floundering campaign and the expense of good public policy" is dismaying.

It would be much more helpful if such supporters started answering some of your excllent questions about DC's position, instead of resorting to slagging off DD)

a-tracy

Yes but Wat it shows he's still in the race that they get so uppity about him

As for no opportunity to question DD see:

+ DD promises 20 new grammar schools for the inner cities
+ A series of appointments strengthens the DD campaign
+ Derek Conway blames everyone else for his candidates troubles
+ DD challenges DC over tuition fees
+ Advice for Mr Davis
+ Cameron -v- David: Hope -v- Experience

Fill your boots

"hope the situation we inherit in 2009/2010"

maybe you won't inherit anything and Labour will win again.

john Skinner

Anti - Cameroons are getting increasingly desperate in their sources for negative briefing. On this blog we get the views of class-warrior, Dennis Skinner and on Wat Tylers blog we get a bizarre conspiracy theory from Private Eye Magazine.
The Eye story has the Labour dirty tricks department handing over a "dossier" on Liam Fox's sexual proclivities, not to Tom Baldwin of The Times, but to Cameron's team, who promptly forward it to The Evening Standard. Why the "dossier" didn't go directly to The Standard or The Times or, for that matter to Davis's team is not explained.
Anyway, this is supposed to explain the Standard's sensational headline "Tory Candidate's Gay Smear."
In fact, the wily Fox brought up the subject of "gay smears" during a routine interview. Entirely unsolicited, he told The Standard,"Because I'm not married, there have lots of attempts to suggest I'm gay." ( I'm quoting from memory ).
Guido Fawkes posted on this at the time, suggesting that Fox was aware of the coverage Cameron got on the drugs issue and wanted some of the same, particularly as his impending marriage would ( pardon the pun ) cover his arse.
By the way, can anyone suggest an independent blogger who supports Cameron?

AnotherNick

"If DD had a serious chance of winning he'd deserve as much scrutiny as DC, Alastair, but he doesn't."

Sorry Editor, I feel the last few days this site has become an attack on David Cameron. And rather too ecstatic at David Davis' ideas. Your comment above doesn't really work if you want to treat this as a real two horse race. I don't support all the sentiments above, but i do think some rebalancing is in order.

greg

Well it's not a two horse race. At the moment there's only one winner and that's Cameron. In fact the only way it could become a genuine two horse race is if Cameron has to answer sustained questioning and fouls up. And frankly if that's going to happen it would be better for it to happen now rather than after he is elected.

Torquemada

If the Cameroons can't stand the comments our saintly Editor has been making over the last few days, how are they going to handle the Alistair Campbells of this world?

Words like "heat", "stand" and "kitchen" come to mind.

Such delicate orchids. Are we permitted only to admire them?

John

John Skinner peddler of lies:

"In fact, the wily Fox brought up the subject of "gay smears" during a routine interview"

Guido Fawkes suggested that. Guido Fawkes offered no evidence to support his suggestion. It was a guess not fact.

Take your pro-Cameron hook and sling it.

Jack Stone

If Davis was to win this election and personally I think the game is all but over for him now how do you think the party could possibly stand any chance of winning the next election when it had a leader who as the support of less than a thirs of the parliamentary party.
The idiotic system this party as for voting in its leader will inevitably lead to yet another IDS fiasco as soon as we get near the general election and Davis doesn`t increase the opinion poll ratings which he certaily will not.

Wat Tyler

Ed- you should check out your critics- and defenders- on PB.Com (just don't lose your beauty sleep afterwards).

And among the badinage, an instructive comment from LibDem Smithson: "Although I really wanted KC to do it I think he would have been disastrous for the Tory party. Labour did a brilliant job attacking Howard for his part in the old Tory regime. They would have done the same with KC and added the BAT dimension. If KC had still been in the race the current smoking debate would have been used to embarrass him."

Remember all that unsolicited advice we got about why we should elect KC? Hmm...it seems there really is no substitute for making up our own minds.

Which is something we should try to remember over the next few weeks.

Editor

Thanks Wat. An interesting read. Some of PoliticalBetting's commentators make a fair point about the nastiness that goes on here sometimes!

Jules

The proposition that in a two horse race - Davis commands just 30% parliamentary support is totally false. I for one now of many ex Fox backers in Westminster who want Davis.

Rick

How much parliamentary support did Michael Howard command...........as leader...........as ex-leader-in-waiting ?

AnotherNick

"Well it's not a two horse race. At the moment there's only one winner and that's Cameron."

There will be two names on the ballot paper - it's a two horse race. The logic being used on here suggests it it fine to hound David cameron while he's the front runner - so if the hounding works it'll take time and then with a day or two to go on the contest you can turn the fire on Davis if he moves back into the front runner spot. How does that work?

The arguments that Cameron supporters just want an easy ride with no awkward questions is rubbish, but we want equality. Ask Cameron tyhe tough questions, but lets have a debate where Davis gets asked them too. Or do the old Tory trick (circa 2001) of hounding out the electable guy so we can have the good old fashioned unelectable leader.

Ask the questions that need to asked. But ask them of both candidates. It IS a two horse race.

Wat Tyler

AnotherNick- which particular questions for DD did you have in mind?

Robert H

"The arguments that Cameron supporters just want an easy ride with no awkward questions is rubbish"

That's why the Cameron supporters on this blog are so chippy, and turn on anyone who questions the Boy Wonder or his abilities? That's why the Cameron supporters heap personal abuse on people who ask questions to disguise the fact that neither they or their candidate has an answer?

AnotherNick

My number one question for David Davis would be the following:

"The seats we need to win lie largely in the midlands and the north - outside our southern comfort zone. I know how to win them." How?

But this isn't about attacking one at the expense of the other, it is about treating both candidates equally & as a result keeping the party as a whole moving forward.

There seem to be very few questions directed to David Davis at the moment, yet every pronouncement is greeted with glee. A Tory tax cutting agenda isn't exactly a startling revelation. However, my problem is not with Davis, it is the way this blog has angled it's arguments in the last few days.

We can hardly accuse the Beeb of bias and then flood the Tory online media with an anti-one-candidate bias.

AnotherNick

"That's why the Cameron supporters heap personal abuse on people who ask questions to disguise the fact that neither they or their candidate has an answer?"

That's an unfair generalisation.

Selsdon Man

In the interests of transparency, the editor should have declared that his PR man, Nick Wood, is now handling PR for the Davis campaign.

Editor

Stop daydreaming at the back of class Selsdon Boy. My post of 26th October did precisely that!

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