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Michael Smith

Those of you who say he is 'soft on drugs' who have bog all real experiance of what becoming an addict is really like or the complex personal issues of addiction have no right to judge from afar.

Yeah, maybe, but since you have no idea as to which of us might have personal experiences of addiction and the damage it causes, that's not really a very useful comment, is it?

Being personally affected by something simply doesn't automatically give someone access to all the right public policy solutions - alas.

Obviously we should listen with respect to Dave's insights - but then I'm old-fashioned enough to think that we should listen to pretty much everyone's insights with respect, and then judge them as rationally and coolly as we can, on the merits of the arguments themselves.

This isn't a dig at any one candidate, either - I don't think it's right that somehow only DC is credible on drugs, or DD on council housing, or LF on the NHS, or KC on whatever, any more than I think the 'only' reason for not supporting DC is having some sort of obsession with his drug use. Surely it's possible that some of us just think he's not the right man for the job, right now anyway?

Right. Coffee-fuelled mid-morning rant over.

tom

blimey seeing my post this mnorning is a bit like waking up with someone I didnt go want to go to bed with last night

Editor

Tom: some of us have spent a lot of time with the victims of drugs and those who work with them. Let's, please, focus on the substantial arguments and not make this a soap opera battle of personal biographies.

Henry Mackintosh

It's odd, that all the talk about Cameron has been reduced to this. I suppose his fans will say, it's because his critics have nothing else to say about him, but I don't think that's quite it. Not least because it's the press who have taken this up with such gusto. Now, we were told in the wake of his 'reinventing politics' speech, that Cameron was the sort of Tory who could get us plenty of fans in the media, so the fact that they ahve turned on him in this manner is hardly reassuring for how he would deal with more serious challenges. But I do think it's more fundamental than that - we have been reduced to talking about Cameron and drugs because whta else is there to discuss in relation to Cameron? His attitude to taxes? (presumably those in the manifesto he drafted?) Or criminal justice, or Europe, or whatever you think will influence the electorate at the next poll. It's Cameron's lack of substance, rather than any substances he might have done, that so alarms me.

And, just watching and reading about the leadership election campaigns, the disappointingly arrogant sensation that David Cameron's supporters came out with that he had 'better press skills' than Davis, Fox or Clarke. If he does, they're not much in evidence at the moment - and if he can't cope adequately with this sort of 3rd rate fuss, he'd not up to leading the party.

Ronald Collinson

And that is exactly the point. All organisations have to change and become appropriate for the times - the conservative party is no different. What Cameron realises is that the RIGHT AND LEFT do not really exist any longer, we live in a new modern world where Blair has aped Conservative policies and is hogging conservative territory.

What's the point of political parties, then? Following that logic, all parties should merge in an attempt to cause The Party to move in the desired direction. I suppose there's a case for politics with no principles, operating in a pragmatic and/or experimental way, but political parties have no place in such a world.

a-tracy

Ed - A victim of drugs is an old lady mugged for her pension on the way home from the post office. A victim of drugs is the old guy sat watching tv who get two hooded people in his house to wack him over the head for his meagre means to last that week. A victim of drugs is the young lad mugged on his walk home after working all weekend to put himself through college. A victim of drugs is the poor people forced into the trade by violence and intimidation. If becoming addicted to the substance that you take for recreational purposes is so damaging that in your own words you become a victim of its use then how can people advocate that taking drugs in any form is acceptable you can't have it both ways.

Drug users are not victims unless they have the substance injected into them against their will, they are willing participants as many bloggers on this site have pointed out to me "there's nothing wrong with the odd recreational puff". Over the past few years the drugs education has been considerable - ignorance can no longer be an excuse. They may be suffering the consequences of their actions but they aren't victims.

Mark James

David Cameron Is what the Tory Party needs. He is fresh and someone that will secure the young vote if it is to be secured.

David Davis is a headline hunter who talks a lot of waffle, and we cannot have this in the Tory party if it is to win the next election.

David Cameron was very articulate on Question Time, and Davis was offering flase hope.

Mark James

David Cameron Is what the Tory Party needs. He is fresh and someone that will secure the young vote if it is to be secured.

David Davis is a headline hunter who talks a lot of waffle, and we cannot have this in the Tory party if it is to win the next election.

David Cameron was very articulate on Question Time, and Davis was offering flase hope.

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