It's taken longer than some of us would have hoped but frontrunning David Davis has publicly declared himself opposed to Michael Howard's rollback of one-member-one-vote democracy (see conservativehome's ten point briefing for background on this 'rollback'). Speaking on this morning's Today programme Mr Davis said that he personally preferred a proposal originally put forward by William Hague. I described Mr Hague's proposal in the following terms at the time:
"Mr Hague recommends what is essentially a reversal of the current leadership process. Currently MPs thin the field of candidates and present two candidates for the party in the country to choose between. Mr Hague suggests that candidates for the leadership could be required to receive endorsements from a critical number of constituency associations before MPs have the final say on who should lead the Conservative Party."
Unlike the Howard-Maude-Monbiot (HMM) reforms members would retain a real vote in the Hague proposal. It is a retreat from the current procedure but probably acceptable to most members. In light of Mr Davis' intervention I've decided to scrap the 'Wanted for party democracy fight' poster I issued last week. David Cameron has not said anything about the process since Liam Fox also came out for some form of OMOV. But Ken Clarke has made it clear that he won't be commenting. On last night's Westminster Hour he said that it was more important for the leadership contenders to be talking about the big issues facing Britain - not (albeit important) issues within the Conservative Party. Internal issues should be discussed behind-the-scenes, he said. In smoke-filled rooms no doubt!
One leading Tory who has made her pro-democracy position clear from the outset has been Theresa May. She is quoted in today's Guardian as being concerned at attempts by party high-ups to 'blackmail' members of the Constitutional College into voting for the HMM reforms:
"People say if you keep this system you won't have a leader until February. I don't think that's right, if the party is ready to press the button [for a ballot of members] when the result is known on the 27th. It's a way of trying to blackmail people into supporting the proposal. Which is more important? A couple of weeks of comments in the paper about the government - or getting the right leader and making sure over the next four to five years that we are developing the right policies for the next election?"
Once again, Mrs. May deserves a lot of credit for this. I had some very harsh things to say about her following the "nasty party" speech, but she's certainly gone up in my estimation recently.
Posted by: Sean Fear | 05 September 2005 at 11:01
Looks like a late move for DD there. A little too late for my liking.
Posted by: James Maskell | 05 September 2005 at 11:09
"Internal issues should be discussed behind-the-scenes, he said. In smoke-filled rooms no doubt!"
You're getting as bad as BBCi! The next thing you know all the pictures you use of Ken will show him shrouded in cigar smoke...
Posted by: James Hellyer | 05 September 2005 at 11:16
It wasn't meant to be a compliment James!
Posted by: Editor | 05 September 2005 at 11:22
Then why not go the whole Tebbit and caption all photos of Ken with the legend "Merchant of Death"? ;=)
Posted by: James Hellyer | 05 September 2005 at 11:27
Agreed Mr Maskell!
Davis has had plenty of opportunity but has been silent on the party constitutional changes. Round One to Fox!
Posted by: Selsdon Man | 05 September 2005 at 12:36
Glad to see DD finally making a stand on the issue but like others have said he should have done so sooner.
Posted by: Richard Allen | 05 September 2005 at 12:39
Sean, I agree: Theresa May is doing a terrific job in making calmly, eloquently and rationally the clear democratic case for members to have a proper say (i.e. a significant voting stake) in the election of leader. Well done too to Liam Fox for endorsing the idea of an electoral college. And if it takes a bit longer to get a leader, so what? Tony gets a free ride.....but that is what he has had anyway for most of the last eight years, mainly thanks to the Tory Party at Westminster.
Posted by: Michael McGowan | 05 September 2005 at 12:41
My main concern with Theresa is her proposal for positive discrimination to ensure that half the PPCs in target seats are women. Even if it was desirable (it is not IMO), it would be difficult to achieve in practice. Local associations would rightly resist this form of central diktat.
Posted by: Selsdon Man | 05 September 2005 at 12:50
I agree Michael. What difference does another two months make.
SM - I dislike any form of positive discrimination, as it has the effect of promoting people beyond their capabilities, while keeping out more able people. In practice, any system of "A List" candidates would favour well-connected party hacks above all others.
Posted by: Sean Fear | 05 September 2005 at 12:53
Labour's attempts at positive discrimination are a good example of this. Their crop of Blair Babes are hardly impressive parliamentarians.
It's absolutely wrong for one of our constituency associations to discriminate against someone because they are a woman. It's counterproductive and wrong to force them to take someone because they are a woman.
Posted by: James Hellyer | 05 September 2005 at 13:01
Editor,
I think you are being a little too easy on DD's "pro-democracy" comments. The BBC describes his comments as follows:
"On Monday, Mr Davis told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think the new proposal to do away with the rights of the membership is likely to be turned down - I don't think that's a bad thing.
"I think it would have been much easier just to say to the party in the country: 'Why don't we reverse the order - you have the first hit and MPs have the last say'.
"That way, we could have avoided the issue of having somebody elected without majority support in the House of Commons."
I am not quite sure what DD means by the members having "the first hit" - but possibly it means that members could produce a short-list for MPs to vote on.
Whatever he means, it's clear from the above that his prime concern if for MPs to have the final say.
If that's democracy, Editor, you're a bannana!
More pressingly, I don't think you should give up the campaign for party democracy. Whatever the result on September 27, there is a real groundswell of discontent about Howard's proposals. Whether you prefer an electoral college system or the red meat of a primary, there is still all to play for. We must get this right now, so that we don't have to return to it again in the future.
Whilst I haven't been Teresa May's greatest fan in the past, she is absolutely right about this.
Posted by: Simon C | 05 September 2005 at 13:37
I see no reason for MPs to have the final say. The argument being put is that this would ensure their loyalty, but that is plainly not true as evidenced by the way that William Hague was treated, or John Major before that.
The electoral college is also a fudge which will cause all sorts of arguments about its composition and the weightings of the various elements of it.We saw a bit of that at the NCC meeting on Saturday with different delegates giving us their own versions of how they would see it work.
What's wrong with simple straight forward one-member-one-vote?
Posted by: Derek | 05 September 2005 at 17:13
In my opinion Derek,nothing.I still hope that one member one vote is what we will end up with.The Labour party went through pain with their electoral college I hope we can end our agony soon and start being a proper opposition again.
Posted by: malcolm | 05 September 2005 at 17:26
What's a "bannana" Simon? Is it like a banana?
I agree with other commentators that DD's position on party democracy is "a bit too little, a bit too late" but his "I don't think that's a bad thing" reaction to the likelihood of the HMM reforms being rejected is good news.
He doesn't go far enough - for me - on party democracy. I don't like any dilution of the OMOV principle and that's the reason why I don't much like Liam's electoral college idea either (although its preferable to an MPs-only election). I'm for retention of OMOV with indicative primaries amongst target sectors (eg public service workers) and target constituencies (LibDem and Labour held).
Both DD and LF have taken steps in the right direction - and LF took bigger steps earlier - but neither has matched those strides made by that heroine in leopard skin high heels...
Posted by: Editor | 05 September 2005 at 18:29
Unlike most here, I wouldn't object to a system that gave either the final or decisive say to MPs.
What I object to is being deprived of any say at all.
Posted by: Sean Fear | 05 September 2005 at 18:59
I agree with Editor here. The vote for the members should be a whole vote per member irrespective of position. There must be a level playing field.
Posted by: James Maskell | 05 September 2005 at 19:11
"What's a "bannana" Simon? Is it like a banana? "
It's most unlike you to be pedentic about typos Tim - can't think why you picked up on this one...
but I guess a bannana must be a yellow fruit that's so curved it resembles an "n" - hence the extra letter. A fruity u-turn if you like.
An electoral college is the bare minimum that would give each member a direct say in the leadership. But as you say, a primary is surely the way forward.
Posted by: Simon C | 05 September 2005 at 20:11
Isn't it amazing who anti-MP only votes the candidates get when it looks like the plan will be defeated. Is bandwagon jumping really a trait for a potential prime minister?
Posted by: AnotherNick | 05 September 2005 at 20:11
'how' not 'who' .... I really should check for typos!
Posted by: AnotherNick | 05 September 2005 at 20:12
it still doesn't read write.... ah you get the point though :-)
Posted by: AnotherNick | 05 September 2005 at 20:12
"It's most unlike you to be pedentic about typos Tim - can't think why you picked up on this one..."
Oh, the irony...
Posted by: James Hellyer | 05 September 2005 at 20:15
I now feel slightly guilty :=(
Posted by: James Hellyer | 05 September 2005 at 20:18
"Oh, the irony..."
Nope. A typo.
Posted by: Simon C | 05 September 2005 at 20:20
Tim,
Why does your otherwise admirable website not have a spell-check facility for ham-fisted self-taught two-fingered "typists" like me who sometimes blog in a hurry without bothering to Preview properly?
Posted by: Simon C | 05 September 2005 at 20:23