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James Hellyer

"Who's is demonising Liam James ,not me or anyone else as far as I know"

You clearly missed my direct references to Ken Clarke and the BBC then, not to mention Melissa Kite in her role as cheerleader for David Davis. They misrepresented what Dr Fox said and applied smear after smear about the Religious Right, American politics and neo-conservatism. Any nasty association that's a shorthand for bad, in fact, rather than actually address what was said.

"I merely speculated that this may have been to get votes from the Cornerstone group.It was not meant to be a shot ,cheap or otherwise."

Well it's exactly the cheap shot that Melissa Kite used in her Telegraph piece. I mean, heaven forfend that he actually said something because he believed it was right...

"Our troops are hardly 'feeding back that they are demoralised by politicians dwelling on the legitimacy of the war'."

Except they are.

Simon C

Whilst I would agree with James's line on this, what about other candidates in the campaign, to get back to my original question?

a-tracy

Isn't it slightly worrying though that those who show the most courage in the battle are the ones left lying in the mud of the battlefield when the war is over.

It is brave of Dr Fox to show that he has the courage of his convictions, personally I despair at the reports that some girls use abortion as a form of contraception having multiple terminations but who would look after the 180,000 unwanted children these girls don't want to take responsibility for their actions. This is a very difficult subject fraught with problems. It is not something that I would campaign on.

malcolm

Simon,in answer to your question.None of them really.

Editor

Simon: David Cameron championing public policy support for marriage was pretty brave I suppose. He certainly won't have won any friends amongst the more laissez-faire members of the Notting Hill set.

Simon C

Good point, Editor, although from recollection Damian Green and John Major had already brought marriage back in from the cold on the left of the Party, so perhaps he wasn't sticking his neck out that far.

What about DD & KC? Or is Malcolm right?

malcolm

I'm right!That should get this thread going,Simon! If it doesn't I'll post that Ken Clarke has been brave.That should drag James Hellyer out at least!

James Hellyer


It was certainly courageous (in the "Yes Minister" sense) to attend the BAT meet-and-greet at the Belgian Grand Prix...

malcolm

I knew it!Typically nice comment James.Wasn't it courageous of Ken to say to Tory MPs and the general public that he wouldn't promise tax cuts until the errors of Gordon Brown at least had been rectified?

James Hellyer


You asked for a comment on the "merchant of death"!

I don't think saying tax cuts can't be delivered immediately was courageous. It's mainstream thinking with the Maude posse.

malcolm

You get worse and worse James!

Simon C

Forgive me Gentlemen, but I had hoped that some of the other bloggers on this site, who aren't often shy about singing the praises of KC & DD, might have been able to come up with some examples.

Their silence is revealing.

Selsdon Man

"David Cameron championing public policy support for marriage was pretty brave I suppose. He certainly won't have won any friends amongst the more laissez-faire members of the Notting Hill set."

Editor, please give examples of advocates of laissez faire or "the Notting Hill set" actually opposing marriage. I cannot think of any.

James Hellyer


They don't oppose marriage, Selsdon, but they may well think that the state shouldn't give it privileged status (and thus imply that alternative lifstyle choices are less valid).

Blimpish

Indeed, James - there's no playing tricks on these people; they see that the very act of declaring support for marriage is the first stage in a plan to recriminalise sodomy and mandate forceable imprisonment for single parents.

malcolm

Is that a fact Blimpish.Examples please?

James Hellyer

I believe it's called hyperbole, Malcolm. Much like the hyperbole Alan Duncan employed when he exited the leadership race with a broadside at the Tory Taliban. His targets, of course, were the socially Conservative MPs who see marriage as something to be promoted, and by inference a preferred form of relationship.

Blimpish

I live in hope my irony one day achieves great subtlety; but I know it's not THAT subtle.

James Hellyer

It could have been worse. You could have been accused of of deploying an army of Portillista straw men.

Blimpish

Yes - and if that isn't a coded homophobic sleight, I don't know what is...

James Hellyer


These are especially fey straw men...

Blimpish

Don't... Somebody will say they deserve a grant.

James Hellyer


They do street theatre. And Bah mitzvahs.

Blimpish

That's more grants - that means they have a 'culture' that must be celebrated. There'll probably need to be some Support Officers appointed too. And maybe a Strategic Body.

James Hellyer


We need a nationwide straw man initiative. Possibly even a straw man task force. Or a Tsar. Tony Blair could even take personal responsibility for the straw man situation.

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