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wasp

This is really bad this could add 10 weeks to the leadership election. Thats 10 weeks of very public back biting and division in the party.

Democracy or no democracy having a 2 man runoff is a really bad idea.

Whats strange is that David Davis will almost certainly win whatever so it doesn't really matter what the system is.

We need a leader NOW in reality we'll go from May6 to early December with no leader. A ridiculous situation from an increasingly ridiculous party.

Sean Fear


Mark, there is no evidence at all that the policies we put forward on Europe and immigration were disliked by the electorate. We have comfortably outpolled Labour in the last two European elections, and on immigration, we are far preferred (if polls are to be believed) to either Labour or the Lib Dems.

One can disagree about how much emphasis should be placed on these issues, but the idea that europhilia and support for mass immigration will somehow win support for the party beggars belief.

Selsdon Man

The 14 MPs who did not vote have let the Party and the members down. It appears that they did spoil their ballot papers - a disgraceful act. If they cannot vote on a vital issue such as party democracy, how can we rely upon them in the House?

Sean Fear


There is another explanation, Selsdon Man. They may just be functionally illiterate.

James Hellyer


They didn't spoil their ballot papers. There was only one spoilt ballot...

James Hellyer

"the idea that europhilia and support for mass immigration will somehow win support for the party beggars belief."

True. The problem was that issues like immigration, where we enjoyed a lead, were low priority issues for the majority.

Mark Fulford

Sean, it beggars belief that you paraphrased my criticism of last election's Europe / immigration stance as "europhilia and support for mass immigration". The fact of the matter was that we lost the last election, and not because of our policies on taxation, healthcare or education. To find out why we lost, ask some of the natural Tory voters who still went Labour!

Richard Allen

Going back to the vote and what was needed for the changes to pass I think that some have still got the 50% issue wrong.

It is not that a 50% turnout is required but that 50% of all those eligible to vote actually voted in favour. In this case 1,141 people were eligible to vote and thus 571 votes in favour were needed to meet the 50% criteria.

James Hellyer


Half of the college had to approve it (i.e. half of those eligible), with 66% of those voting being in favour in each constituent part of the College.

Sean Fear


Mark, that seems a reasonable inference from your initial comment (promise to keep Labour's policies on the EU and immigration for four years).

The polling evidence suggest overwhelmingly that voters preferred our stance on immigration to that of Labour.

Mark Fulford

Sean, in a March 2005 Populus poll that compared Labour and Conservative immigration policy, 92% of Tory voters agreed with the Labour policy (they were not told whose policy it was).

The electorate's perception of the Conservative party is that it's hung-up on issues such as immigration. They don’t hear the words: they hear us banging on about immigration and it reinforces the impression that we're a party of xenophobes. It’s essential that we dispel the misconception and the best way is to say we're happy to adopt Labour's policy on it. After all, it's a policy that 92% of Tory voters agreed with - not one of "europhilia and support for mass immigration".

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