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Nice idea, but taken to extremes as you propose with drugs Selsdon,it doesn't work in practice.Also would be electoral suicide.Can you imagine the reaction from the Telegraph or Mail?They haven't got a libertarian bone in their bodies and are at the moment just about the only friends we have

James Hellyer

The Telegraph has previously advocated liberalisation of drugs, Malcolm.


James is right unfortunately. Under Charles Moore - now back to his best with his Saturday column - the Telegraph supported the government's ill-judged downgrading of cannabis. The newspaper also promoted a whole range of left-liberals during Moore's reign. They may even have written the soft-on-drugs leaders for him...


I apologise for my mistake.Probably the result of spending too long devouring the sports pages at the expense of the leaders which I had always thought rather predictable.Obviously I was wrong

Selsdon Man

I have been trying (albeit provatively) to stimulate a real debate on the issues that the Party will need to face up to over the next few years.

I am personally opposed to drugs except for medicinal use. If heroin, cocaine and morphine can be prescribed for cancer sufferers, I cannotb understand why cannabis cannot be used to treat MS.

I believe in reason - drugs take away reason. Yet I believe that indidividuals should have control over their own bodies and be responsible for the consequences.

The increase in drug abuse shows that prohibition has not worked and there needs to be a rethink.

Incidentally, Mr Davis's apparent admiration of Randy Barnett is interesting. Randy is a drig legaliser.

James Hellyer


heroin, cocaine and morphine are only used in extreme circumstances. Proposals to use cannabis in medical treatment are for more routine and regular matters. Perhaps rather than open up the gateway to regularising use of this drug, the development of cannaboid prescription drugs should be allowed.

Selsdon Man

James, I agree with you on the legalisation of cannaboid drugs. It would make a huge difference to the lives of MS sufferers. On other drugs, we should focus on treatment and rehabilitation rather than imprisonment.

Going back to licensing liberalisation, we could liberalise but give local councils the right to restrict the opening hours of bar and clubs whose customers get too drunk and cause trouble in town centres. Why should everyone be penalised for the idiotic behaviour of a (albeit large) minority?

Having worked very near two Urbium establishments, I can confirm that firm manages its bars responsibly. Mr Cameron should not be tainted by his directorship.

James Hellyer

I think we can learn a lot from the Swedish example. There, the goal has been to create a ‘drugs free society,’ with everyone from the police to schools working towards such a strategy. As a result, overall lifetime
prevalence of drug abuse, amongst 15-16 year-olds, is 8% in Sweden, compared to 29% in the Netherlands.

This is because in Sweden drug use is seen as inimical to a civilised, tolerant society,
whereas in the Netherlands, drugs have been accepted as a ‘way of life’ and have
contributed hugely to crime.



You comment on the Swedish approach is very interesting, I'd not heard of it before. where did you hear about it / if their a web link?

James Hellyer


I think a good source is The Risk of Legalising Cannabis
Underestimated: A Comparison of Dutch and Swedish Drug Policy
, Criminal Justice Association, February 2002

You can find information on it here:

and here:


Thanks James, I'll have a read of that.

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For anyone with a passing interest in the fashion industry, it's worth a read for the name dropping alone.As became clear in the film, which chronicled the magazine's staff as they put together the 4 pound September 2007 issue, Coddington is not the Anna Wintour or Diana Vreeland type. You won't hear her barking orders at assistants or making dramatic pronouncements about pink.But she is equally passionate, a wild haired dreamer who thinks that fashion should be transporting, provocative and even intellectual, who bemoans the dominance of celebrities and digital hocus pocus in fashion photography and who isn't afraid to take on Wintour.The book is a window into how fashion has changed from a small, niche business into a global pop culture medium. 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