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Wat Tyler

Hear, hear.

The list of shame. Any chance we can get those 127 MPs' names? I think we should be told.

JFM

I am now more convinced than ever that DC is the best person to lead our Party.

He says all the right things about the main issues facing our country and I will say it again that DC is the only candidate that passes the TV test.

As for the election procedure I support your idea of the electoral college. I hope that our MPs listen.

JFM

buxtehude

Mr Editor, you really worry me. Someone throws you a bone and you jump up and down and wag your tail. Don't you know that's what they're good at, these lads who have grown up only in the school of PR? All that Cameron now has to do now is drop some Bush-ite phrases on the 'war on terror' and you'll be a dribbling spaniel.

Maybe that does make Cameron the ideal leader for 200 spiritually impoverished MPs. But, even if I cast aside the idea that a proper leader should have some deeper roots, I still don't believe - on his 'pitch-perfect' PR basis alone - that Cameron is the man for post-Blairite times. The public is fed up with it. After the real Blair, they will not want a weedy version of Blair.

James Hellyer


I'm still not impressed by Cameron. Bizarre talk of rewarding voluntary workers through the taxation system (which kind of goes against the spirit of volunteering), has failed to change my opinion of him.

He may be a good performer, but that's all he seems to be: a performer.

Let's have some idealism please.

James Hellyer


Oh sorry! For a moment I forgot and thought my opinion counted for something.

Feel free to ignore me and then claim I was "consulted". Apparently that's the new black.

Editor

Buxtehude: "All that Cameron now has to do now is drop some Bush-ite phrases on the 'war on terror' and you'll be a dribbling spaniel."

It'll just be great - for a start - to hear one of the leadership candidates give a serious speech on terrorism. The anti-democrats in the party have caused a great and unnecessary row and have diverted attention from this GREAT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. There are tens of thousands of people who hate everything about our way of life. They want us terrorised, humbled and destroyed. I fear that the use of explosives is only the start of more terrible attacks they that will attempt on us. The Conservative Party will not have a future - and will not deserve one - if it doesn't fashion itself as the party of homeland security.

So, Buxtehude, I won't be a "drooling spaniel" because of a few "Bush-ite" phrases. I want the Michael Moore conservatives to stand aside and the bulldog candidate to emerge. Where is (s)he?

buxtehude

Well, I do happen to agree with you on the war on terror. My point is just that you are easily excited by superficial, easy words and phrases dropped as tidbits. Or so it seems. Of course my great admiration for this site means I should be gentler. Characterising you as a pathetic fawning spaniel is perhaps slightly overstated.

James Hellyer


David Davis and Liam Fox are in the best positions to say something substantive on that subject now. It quite obviously falls into both of their briefs.

Perhaps something will come out of Dr Fox's bridge building exercise in Washington.

Mark O'Brien

The problem candidates have to face in addressing terrorism - to my mind - is to make a balance between freedom and civil liberties (which should be the keystone in the mind of any true conservative) and tackling the terrorist threat. I've written today on my weblog (link on my name) what my position is. As far as I'm concerned, any candidate who gets close to my position on terrorism/liberty is doing well!

Kenneth Irvine

Re your comments on Mr Duncan's description of certain members of our Party, Taliban is a noun and Tory is an adjective. No job for you as an education adviser to Mr Cameron!

Editor

It seems that I am not only a spaniel but an uneducated one at that!

James Hellyer


Well, Spaniels are dumb animals.

Poor Tim!

Watlington

It is surprising that an excellent website like conservativehome.com has fallen for these so called compassionate overtures. It is like the husband who emotionally abuses his wife and then comes back with a love poem promising not to do it again and the wife takes him back in only to be cruelly betrayed and ignored.

Just like the poor lady your memory becomes selective and you ignore the past: the cronyism of the Notting Hill Set, the covert plans for destroying party democracy, and Cameron's past support for all manner of arch libertarian causes, most notably substance abuse.

If Conservatives are to win the election, you will need to look beyond the love poems about compassionate conservatism and remember the past.

We desparately need a leader who can connect with people from all walks of life and has a story to tell about struggle, aspiration and merit. Somebody who families and communities can connect with as they struggle with their daily lives and work day and night to ensure they have a decent standard of living. Someone who doesn't - in the eyes of the electorate - embody privilege and patronage.

No dear Editor, you are in danger of being seduced by warm words. Remember that elections are won on the streets and in housing estates. They are not won in the confines of a few smart venues where smart speeches are given designed to produce editoirials like yours.

Yours in sadness

Watlington

Watlington

One afterthought. Given that you are clearly influenced by those who indicate support for comassionate conservatism, why do you not give Liam Fox a greater score for his speech to the Centre for Social Justice this week? Why is that only Cameron gets real praise?

Editor

Liam's speech to the CSJ was good, Watlington, and he got a +1 as a result. I gave David Cameron a +2 because he not only gave a good speech (on compassionate conservatism) he also won a couple new parliamentary backers during the week. LF may be waiting until the party conference and beyond to announce new parliamentary backers but he's not had any big endorsements for some time - hence the more modest rating I gave him.

Simon C

Why do neither the CSJ or the party website carry a copy of Fox's speech?

Editor

The CSJ will be rectifying this problem soon, Simon. You'll notice the CSJ doesn't yet have DC's talk either. It's not a question of bias! I can't speak for why conservatives.com doesn't have it posted.

Simon C

Found the "Broken Society" speech on:

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.story.page&obj_id=124108

James Hellyer


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