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The public seem to have viscerally accepted for sometime that un-restrained spending by the state is inimical. But generally they have still been in favour of things like the building schools for the future programme and investment in infrastructure.

We need to seperate good and bad public spending. There is huge amounts of money spent on activities which the state in all its guises shouldn't be involved in.

Public spending to me should be about addressing market failures. What we have currently is perfunctory spending and over the last few years all parties have been engaged in a public spending arms race, all to the detriment of our economic progress and our social cohesion.

The tories may not say they will cut costs, but brown kept saying it at PMQs and other times- I keep wondering why he promotes the conservatives better than they do themselves
- I think it's because he enjoys being a hate figure, so it makes him feel all big to tell us how much better it would be without him, but he is going to be our evil overlord for as long as he can keep it up.

Slightly off topic but the BBC have just labelled Brown the 'world leader'-

Tim could you eplain how watching This Life equates to a desire for more public spending.

As a fan of the programme I can be categoric that it did not reduce my desire for smaller government, less state spending and lower taxation!

Please tell this to the Tory Bournemouth Council:
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4253575.__200_000_BILL_FOR___50_000_BOURNEMOUTH_COUNCIL_BOSS_/

Good John. I'm just making the point that This Life was part of the late 1990s experience!

:-)

There seems to be a good Tim bad Tim battle going on for the editor's soul.

Bad Tim is into guns, wars and Israel, good Tim puts up the article above.

I wonder what the renowned clinical psychologist Derek Draper makes of it?

I am betting that Gordon B is bizzy saving the world again....

Don`t always believe what opinion polls tell you. They get the answers the people who commission the polls want them to have.
If you ask people do you believe we should cut spending on health, education, transport, crime. All of which the Tories will inevitably do the answer will be a clear majority against.
The Tories are proposing large spending cuts that will only be achieveable by throwing teachers, nurses and doctors out of work. They should not keep pretending that the cuts will be painless. They will not.They will damage public services and increase unemployment at a time when the economy can least afford it.

"There seems to be a good Tim bad Tim battle going on for the editor's soul.

Bad Tim is into guns, wars and Israel, good Tim puts up the article above.

I wonder what the renowned clinical psychologist Derek Draper makes of it?

Posted by: Henry Mayhew - ukipper | April 02, 2009 at 15:46"

"Don`t always believe what opinion polls tell you. They get the answers the people who commission the polls want them to have.
If you ask people do you believe we should cut spending on health, education, transport, crime. All of which the Tories will inevitably do the answer will be a clear majority against.
The Tories are proposing large spending cuts that will only be achieveable by throwing teachers, nurses and doctors out of work. They should not keep pretending that the cuts will be painless. They will not.They will damage public services and increase unemployment at a time when the economy can least afford it.

Posted by: Jack Stone | April 02, 2009 at 15:49"

Henry,

People often say "speak of the Devil and he will appear" - in your case it took only three minutes!

Stephen

I am sure you could sack a 1/4 of the public sector workforce without touching any of the frontline doctors, teachers, nurses etc . Do not fall for the usual labour lie that much needed cuts in spending = cuts in services . They have doubled government expenditure and have increased frontline staff by maximum 10% on average in the last 10 years .

Why not make that 50% of the public sector?

"The era of increased state spending is over"

What, completely?

You seem not to understand basic democracy. Always the rule is that the majority (have-nots) outvote the minority (haves). Thus as night follows day there is government hosing of taxpayers cash at all problems, imagined, real, potential, and drug-induced.

Jack Stone

Read this please - it may stop you forever repeating the same lie [the fact that Brown uses the same lie does not make it true].

No statement whatsoever by any Tory politician near to the centre of power has, in my memory which goes back much further than yours, said that vital staff in hospitals or schools should be cut.

By vital staff I mean doctors, nurses, physiotherapists, radiographers, ambulance attendants, teachers and the like. There is plenty of room to cut back room staff without affecting service quality in any adverse way.

But, Mr Stone, let me tell you that this government has reduced hospital beds by 12% and has cut thousands of school nurses and I think those are vital.

Right now police forces are being forced to cut back on front line staffing - almost every force.

Right now the much vaunted Labour plan to build umpteen new higher education centres has collapsed and the 72 projects on the go have either been halted or trimmed right back.

That is the reality, Mr Stone. Labour has run out of our money.

It always does.

Public expenditure should be gradually down to about 30% of GDP - when the economic conditions are such that the private sector can readily absorb the 10% of the workforce who will have to be redeployed.

It's clear the Tories need to offer large costed spending cuts at the next election. It's the Tory ideology, and this proves it's popular. They need to be sure to specify which wasteful quangoes and useful state employees they will cull, though.

What I want to know is who is going to PAY for the things that have been agreed at the G20.

The BBC, surprise, surprise, say the deal is worth £681billion!

The Tories are proposing large spending cuts that will only be achieveable by throwing teachers, nurses and doctors out of work.

Can you prove that Mr Stoned ?

In fact public spending does not go on teachers, doctors or nurses but on Consultancy Fees to PFI projects, building projects, interest charges. Did you know that 5% NHS budgets are returned to the Treasury as a "capital levy" ?

Do you really think Education spending is spent on teachers ? Now that Child Social Services are merged with Education noone knows where the funds are going.

As for the NHS money is boosting managerial salaries and perks rather than front line services.

The simple fact is Mr Stoned we have paid billions - over £1.3 Trillion extra spending since Gordo rode into town and have stimulated inflation in house prices and transport by over-bloating the public sector.

If 3.6 million Britons pay >50% of the entire revenue from Income Tax and that they pay more than 23.6 million basic rate taxpayers; and 25% Corporation Tax revenues come from the Top 4 banks.....you can see how far the collapse in revenues makes public spending cuts inevitable.

Mr Stoned prefers Labour Governments to make the cuts - as Denis Healey did in 1976 by not repairing sewers or infrastructure - and imposing pay controls leading to union rebellion. Trouble is noone but Mr Stoned wants a Labour Government since they have been catastrophic for every family whether they are getting 0% interest on savings or waiting on hold for HMRC to sort out the tax credits fiasco.

Jack thinks the world owes us a living. Harsh truth is....it does not !

This poll shows overwhelming public acceptance for reductions in government spending.

But consider how people would normally expect the Tories to react to such a poll - as an opportunity to make reductions in government spending. To do this will only confirm everyone's worst impressions of the party. By contrast, for the Conservatives to say that they will do no such thing in the face of public opinion will prove the opposite, and show that the party has changed, has modernised, has been