Just released from the Shadow Chancellor's office:
"George Osborne has met Oleg Deripaska on five occasions, four of which happened over a weekend in Corfu in August.
On Saturday January 26th 2008 at the Davos World Economic Forum, Mr Osborne was introduced to Mr Deripaska in the company of others including Peter Mandelson. They had a brief group conversation about the world economy.
On Friday August 22 while on a family holiday in Corfu, Mr Osborne and his wife were invited onto Mr Deripaska’s yacht by Mr Rothschild. Others present again included Peter Mandelson. The conversation involved Russian and British politics. There was no conversation of any kind about political donations.
That evening Mr Osborne attended a party at the Rothschild villa and sat on the same table as Mr Rothschild, Mr Deripaska and Mr Mandelson. Again, there was no conversation about party funding.
The following evening - August 23 – Mr Osborne attended a dinner at a local taverna. Mr Deripaska did not attend but both Mr Rothschild and Peter Mandelson did. The conversation involved the state of British politics.
The next day - August 24 - Mr Osborne, who had been staying in a rented house but was now staying at the Rothschild villa with his family, mentioned to Mr Rothschild that Andrew Feldman – who Mr Rothschild had met once before - was holidaying half an hour away with his family and friends.
Mr Rothschild then invited Mr Feldman to join them for an early evening drink at the villa.
This was a social invitation and at no point previously had Mr Osborne and Mr Rothschild discussed the possibility of a donation to the Conservative Party from Mr Deripaska.
Mr Feldman, Mr Osborne, Mr Rothschild and two other house guests gathered on the villa terrace.
There was a discussion about British and American politics and in the course of which Mr Rothschild suggested to Mr Feldman that his friend, Mr Deripaska could be interested in making a party donation. Mr Feldman had not met Mr Deripaska previously and was not aware who he was.
Mr Feldman made clear that there are very strict rules on donations to political parties in the UK.
He explained that there are only two ways of giving a political donation. Firstly, if you appear as an individual on the UK electoral roll. Secondly, if the donation comes from a legitimate UK trading company.
This is an explanation Mr Feldman gives regularly when asked about donations both privately and publicly. At this point Mr Rothschild said that Mr Deripaska owned UK trading companies including Leyland Daf. There was no discussion about how a donation by Mr Deripaska could be concealed or channelled.
At no point did Mr Osborne or Mr Feldman solicit or ask for a donation, suggest ways of channelling a donation or express any wish to meet with Mr Deripaska to discuss donations.
The conversation moved on to the US elections. Some time later Mr Rothschild – having phoned Mr Deripaska – invited Mr Osborne, Mr Feldman and one other house guest for a further drink on Mr Deripaska’s yacht which was moored nearby.
Mr Osborne and Mr Feldman agreed to meet with Mr Deripaska and his wife and family.
They stayed on the boat for about an hour and drank tea. There was a discussion about British and Russian politics, education and Russian history. There was no conversation or mention of party funding or the possibility of Mr Deripaska making a donation to the Conservative Party.
After the group left the boat Mr Feldman did not see Mr Deripaska or Mr Rothschild again and had no further conversations with Mr Deripaska.
Mr Osborne met Mr Deripaska again briefly the following lunchtime when both Mr Deripaska and Mr Mandelson visited the Rothschild villa. The conversation between them lasted no more than five minutes and again there was no discussion about political donations. Indeed Mr Osborne has had no further discussions with Mr Deripaska.. Nor has he had a further conversation with Mr Rothschild about donations.
On September 18 Mr Feldman and Mr Rothschild had a phone conversation about the possibility of Mr Rothschild hosting a fundraising dinner for the Conservative Party – something the Rothschild family have done before.
At the end of that conversation Mr Rothschild mentioned that Leyland Daf, a UK trading company owned by Mr Deripaska, was interested in making a donation to the party. Leyland Daf is well known to be a company recently purchased and owned by Mr Deripaska.
Mr Feldman said that he was not sure if such a donation was appropriate. He told Mr Rothschild that he would have to seek advice on the matter. Later that day it was decided after consultation with senior party officials that it would not be appropriate to accept such a donation. There was no futher contact from Mr Rothschild or Mr Deripaska and the matter was considered to be at an end.
For clarity – neither Mr Feldman or Mr Osborne have ever discussed with Oleg Deripaska the possibility of him making a political donation. At no point in any of these meetings and discussions did either Mr Osborne or Mr Feldman solicit or attempt to solicit a donation from Mr Deripaska. Nor did they at any stage suggest any way that a donation could be channelled or concealed through a British company.
This statement constitutes a full and detailed explanation of Mr Osborne and Mr Feldman’s dealings with Mr Deripaska. We would now urge Lord Mandelson to provide the same."
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
Posted by: hiding behind a phrase | October 21, 2008 at 17:05
Good to see Osborne getting a full statement out explaining the details. Very good indeed. Lets hope he learns from this to watch who he hangs around with.
Posted by: James Maskell | October 21, 2008 at 17:07
I believe Osborne but I don't like the company he keeps.
Posted by: Jennifer Wells | October 21, 2008 at 17:10
Well, well, well.....
This has got a whole lot more interesting.
Mandy is very rusty I feel...
I wonder if his pet BBC attack dogs have the stomach for it.
Posted by: Mike Thomas | October 21, 2008 at 17:10
"This statement constitutes a full and detailed explanation of Mr Osborne and Mr Feldman’s dealings with Mr Deripaska. We would now urge Lord Mandelson to provide the same."
Fifteen All.
Mandelson to Serve.
(the ball quite literally being in his court)
Posted by: James | October 21, 2008 at 17:11
Osborne is toast - we don't need him.
Time for Mr Redwood to step in - and about time too
Posted by: Graham Prentice | October 21, 2008 at 17:15
I think this is a personal vendetta being played out by Mr Rothschild and Lord Mandelson, ably assisted by Robert Peston, who is very keen to deflect the attention re his scoops and insider trading scandals.
Osborne is intelligent and astute enough not to engage in loose talk let alone jeopardise his position nor for that matter compromise the party. I also strongly feel that Osborne is an honest and sincere person who would try and obfuscate the truth.
Posted by: Yogi | October 21, 2008 at 17:18
This statment from George Osborne seems perefectly reasonable, how long can Mandy keep quiet?
Posted by: london boy | October 21, 2008 at 17:21
Well this means that I needn't watch the News tonight because it will be obsessed with the only personality-based trivia around right now. Just look at the Beeb's website! Yuk! Alastair Campbell is orchestrating this I expect.
Give it a rest for heaven's sake please
Posted by: christina Speight | October 21, 2008 at 17:23
"Lord" Mandy weaving his magic i see, which is exactly why Broon brought him back.
Pity its so obvious its painful!
Labour OUT!
Tick Tock...
Posted by: Steve | October 21, 2008 at 17:23
What a load of tosh! I don't think I've ever heard such a load of old balderdash whipped up into an attemnpt to create a scandal. Is there actually any real substance to this affair or is it just a desperate attempt to change the news agenda?
I have to say, Nick Robinson's remarks on Radio 4's World At One were particularly hasty, and I thought veered towards hysteria, almost party political sniping. Having previously had a good opinion of Mr Robinson's general approach to political coverage, I was very dissapointed.
Posted by: Shaun Bennett | October 21, 2008 at 17:23
Graham Prentice may be a real person but is not a name I recognise. I suspect some Labourites may be visiting us today to create mischief. I apologise to Mr Prentice if he is real.
Posted by: Jennifer Wells | October 21, 2008 at 17:24
It is obviously payback for the perception that Osborne leaked what Mandy said.
My concern has always been that Osborne is not 100% focused on his shadow chancelllor job. These summer wanderings confirm that view that he sees himself as a "player" rather than as a chancellor.
Posted by: HF | October 21, 2008 at 17:27
It seems Robert Pestons criticism of Osborne now is that he discussed the possibility of a party donation with Nathaniel Rothschild for more than a millisecond.
Posted by: Iain | October 21, 2008 at 17:27
Rothschild is behaving like a 5 year old with an inflated sense of self-importance. Someone please tell him to belt up.
Posted by: RichardJ | October 21, 2008 at 17:29
This is all very Agatha Christie.
Alls we are missing is a murder and a butler!
Posted by: John Davis | October 21, 2008 at 17:33
Given that we are talking Russian oligarchs John a murder/ poisoning might not be far behind.
Posted by: Jennifer Wells | October 21, 2008 at 17:38
Exactly Iain. This is Mandelson's poisonous work and the BBC have been complicit.
Posted by: Felicity Mountjoy | October 21, 2008 at 17:39
He is shadow chancellor because he and a clique of his friends now control the Conservative Party. Well done dumb members!
Posted by: dumb | October 21, 2008 at 17:40
I hate the idea of rich public schoolboys playing with Russians and Mandelson on yachts for their summer holidays. The donation is the least of all this for me.
Posted by: Alan S | October 21, 2008 at 17:42
I think the Tory MP who texted Iain Martin, as mentioned in his 'Who will replace Osborne' article sums it up nicely:
"PS A Tory MP texts me to say: "Oh dear, oh dear, George. Three lessons. 1) Never mess with the Dark Lord. 2) Really rich people live by different rules from the rest of us and 3) Avoid Russians with large yachts."
Posted by: GB£.com | October 21, 2008 at 17:45
Osborne won't lose his job but he's lost my respect today.
He keeps seedy company.
Posted by: DCMX | October 21, 2008 at 17:47
Mr Osbourne has kept his head while all around him (ie The Press) lose theirs!He was described as "flustered"- what nonsense.He was quite calm.
Posted by: judith | October 21, 2008 at 17:48
My oppinion of osbourne is much higher now than it was before...
My first thought (following a pretty poor showing recently) was 'good excuse to get him to stand down' -- but he handled this whole thing really well.
Hang in there ozzie - watch mandy resign again (along with his two great mates at the BBC)
Posted by: pp | October 21, 2008 at 17:59
Flustered...a state of agitation, confusion, or excitement? No, he wasn't any of those. He's just too stupid to think of the consequences of his actions. He's not worth it!
Posted by: Alan | October 21, 2008 at 18:01
And remember, nor did Gidders run out from any of this delightful, entirely undeclared ligging and phone up hacks to tell then chapter and verse about what Mandy said to him in 'private' conversation. For George is an honest man.
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 18:05
George Osborne has remained calm and collected in the face of great hostility.
In any case, the idea that he ought not only to be replaced, but replaced by REDWOOD of all people, is thoroughly risible!
Posted by: Andy | October 21, 2008 at 18:07
"The next day - August 24 - Mr Osborne, who had been staying in a rented house but was now staying at the Rothschild villa with his family, mentioned to Mr Rothschild that Andrew Feldman – who Mr Rothschild had met once before - was holidaying half an hour away with his family and friends."
Why did Osborne fail to declare this hospitality in the House Commons register of members' interests? He declared the visit to Davos.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/081008/081008.pdf
Posted by: Libertarian | October 21, 2008 at 18:10
Peston and Robinson have both ended up looking like idiots, running a non-story about a non-donation at the behest of a hedge-fund millionaire with a chip on his shoulder.
Andrew Gilligan had more substantiation for his "sexed-up dossier" than they do for this.
Posted by: John Moss | October 21, 2008 at 18:11
Eurgh... what a mess, lets see how this plays out. Mandelson no doubt is going to be trying his hardest to have as many of these spats as possible, it takes the heat of Brown and embroils the party in claims and counter claims while drowning out an message we want to get to the electorate. Time to get Steve Hilton back from the US
Posted by: YMT | October 21, 2008 at 18:25
So this explains why George said nothing about the financial crises last week. I've always said you can't really trust these public schoolboys- they mix with some rather nasty people. He's getting as bad as his predecessor but one in Tatton.
Time for either Ken Clarke or John Redwood to take the Shadow Finance Portfolio.
Posted by: Sandy Jamieson | October 21, 2008 at 18:38
You know, it is really SAD that Peston and Robinson can be so gullible as to be sent off like faithful bloodhounds following a trail laid for them by Campbell and Mandelson, rather than reporting real news.
Let's see - the economics editor might want to report the CPS paper released today highlighting the real state of UK Government debt at something like 150% of GDP when all pension, PFI, Notwork Rail, Northern Wreck etc etc liabilities are brought on-balance sheet?
The political editor might want to report how Harperson is guilotining debate on pro-choice amendments to the HFE Bill and not calling those amendments to the vote? Or, the rebellion brewing over the un-compensated 10p tax losers or the non-implimentation of family friendly flexible working?
It really is just very, very, poor journalism.
Posted by: John Moss | October 21, 2008 at 18:39
I've just seen the details of how ALL these Russian oligarchs have lost all their money. This one the Osborne didn't discuss money with has lost $ 22 billion ( about £13 billion). He couldn't afford a donation anyway!
The other one who owns Chelsea has lost nearly as much! They're all begging money off Putin
Laugh fit to bust!
Posted by: christina Speight | October 21, 2008 at 18:48
@ Sandy Jamieson
Neil Hamilton was cleared of receiving money from Al Fayed by two independent investigations. You can use your smear as a suppository.
Osborne should explain why he did not declare his holiday hospitality from the Rothschilds. Osborne registered Lady Serena Rothschild's donation to fund his office on 15th May 2008. He cannot argue that his hospitality in August was not business related.
Posted by: Libertarian | October 21, 2008 at 18:50
The above statement is far more categoric on the subject than the impression given by Mr Osborne on the BBC news this evening. Admittedly it was Nick Robinson putting the boot in but the fact remains that an adverse impression will have been given to the wider public, because Mr O's responses were very carefully worded, and they will not get to read the above detailed statement.
A libel/slander writ would be a more pointed rebuttal of the accusations.
Posted by: Ken Stevens | October 21, 2008 at 19:04
I believe Leyland Daf is wholly owned by Paccar Inc. of Seattle.
Posted by: Allan Littlemore | October 21, 2008 at 19:06
Ken, George Osborne is no more willingly going to go into court than Dave is going to make Redwood shadow Chancellor. Whether he finds himself being taken to court is another matter entirely.
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 19:16
Osborne and Mandelson.
Two sides of the same shitty political coin.
Depressing.
Could the gulf between the political elite and the rest of us possibly get any bigger?
Posted by: cjcjc | October 21, 2008 at 19:17
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23575498-details/Osborne+present+at+donation+talks/article.do
"George Osborne was present during discussions over a Russian billionaire giving a £50,000 donation to the Conservative Party, it was confirmed.
The shadow chancellor was involved in a conversation with banking heir Nathaniel Rothschild over the possibility that Oleg Deripaska could give money, according to a statement issued by the Tories.
The party's fundraiser Andrew Feldman raised the prospect that gifts could be given through "legitimate UK trading companies" during the meeting in Corfu in August....
The fundraiser later suggested that the oligarch could "channel" the money through one of his British firms, according to Mr Rothschild's account.
It is illegal for parties to accept donations from individuals who are not on the electoral roll - either directly or through "proxies"."
Posted by: Standard Standard!! | October 21, 2008 at 19:23
Now we know why Milly Molly Mandy was brought back, as was that other twerp! With the willing help of the BEEBle they are sure to worry at it for as long as possible, especially as they want to try and deflect away from the other twerp Peston!
Posted by: Patsy Sergeant | October 21, 2008 at 19:26
This is rediculous. George Osborne went on a Russian billionaire's yacht, he asked Osborne if he wanted money, and Osborne said 'no'. The end. Why is this non-story taking up so much airtime? I was asked if I wanted life insurance the other day; this is about the same scale as the Osborne story.
Posted by: Keir Gravil | October 21, 2008 at 19:28
I'm just hoping that Osborne's mobile phone has Peter Carter-Ruck and Partners [libel and defamation lawyers of some repute] set on speed-dial.
Posted by: Tanuki | October 21, 2008 at 19:37
Peston is a pleb, and is still a laughing stock over the HBOS affair. Robinson isn't much better - on his blog earlier, he posted:
"On the banking crisis, he (Cameron) can't say "I told you so" because he didn't."
Clearly, Mr Robinson hasn't read what Dave said in March:
“In short, liquidity risk was all but ignored, credit risk was delegated, and market risk was backward looking. And we now know that not only did the regulators not know, but too often the banks themselves didn’t know, the full extent of the risks they were subjected to. But let me say again, any reforms at an international level will need care to ensure that in tackling the past problems they do not create the problems of the future. At the same time, we must all recognise that crises are inevitable, so a prudent Government, as we will be, that is committed tol be, must improve our response to these crises when they appear."
Robinson also said:
"He can't say "we had a better answer" because he didn't propose one and he's given his backing to the Brown plan"
Yes he did, in the same speech in March:
'As well as the reforms we have outlined for the UK financial system, we need reforms at a global level too. So let me suggest one important reform that needs to take place in light of the recent crisis in world banking.'
Mr Robinson needs to take off his very unstylish, New Labour tinted glasses.
Posted by: Ulster Tory | October 21, 2008 at 19:37
'Could the gulf between the political elite and the rest of us possibly get any bigger?'
Indeed. Russian oligarchs, Rothschilds, EU Trade Commissioner and future Chancellor get jiggy with it on the canapés and Bollinger and we are supposed to worry about the detail and the devil therein?
This is contempt. Pure contempt for those that suffer the consequences of the machinations of hyper-billionaires playing with the little boy lost and the irredeemably aspirational tosspotter. Our boy and Mandy in that order.
Then again, it would be nice to be a fly on the turd and watch 007 Darling Darling try and hold his own on Scaramangski's yacht. He can do the Roger Moore eyebrows but his black tie would be clip-on and his undercrackers rather skiddy.
Posted by: Dorian Grapeshot -Resident Feudalist | October 21, 2008 at 19:46
Interesting stuff from the BBC.
First they make a big anti-Tory deal over the Tories turning down a doubtful donation.
Second they go out of their way to misrepresent Cameron of the bank problem, although to be fair to Robinson he is probably being incompetent rather than baised. Most BBC interviewers usually come across as very ingnorant of their subject.
Posted by: David Sergeant | October 21, 2008 at 19:49
The letter begins with berating The Times:
Sir, Since your paper… has made much out of what may or may not have happened at a private gathering of my friends this summer in Corfu.
…but it then ends with this sentence:
“I also think it ill behoves all political parties to try and make capital at the expense of another in such circumstances...”
EH?
Clearly, the start of the letter is the opener for the narrative which then denounces Osborne as ‘worse than Mandy’, however the closing remark says ‘George has blabbed about Mandy slagging off Brown, at my party, which is a very nasty thing to do, so much so, I’m going to spill the beans on George... Umm, don’t make political capital out of Mandy, or I’ll cancel it out, by making political capital, for um. Well you get the idea.
What a stupidly constructed narrative.
Off course, this has Mandleson all over it, but Rothschild has dented his own reputation severely – goodness knows how he has allowed himself to be manipulated into writing such a badly expressed letter, to the friggin Times for Christ sake!!! Either that or he is thick. Either way, I won’t be calling at Klosters this Christmas.
Ps, Nathaniel says he’s standing by ‘every word’, except that the original letter has been removed from the Times website and ‘updated’, and Guido hears there is a third letter?
Aren't we all glad Mandleson is back in town flexing his version of political muscle.
Posted by: Oberon Houston | October 21, 2008 at 19:49
I agree with Keir, the press have obviously had complaints about too much coverage on the US Election, and are trying to glamourise a UK story.
The press usually need everything spelled out to them, I remember when George Osborne was discussing the idea about taxing the super strength ciders to subsidise the low alcohol beers, the reporter managed to miss the point when she asked him "but won't that mean young people who are quite sensitive to price will buy the low alcohol beers".
This will hopefully blow over when the media manage to catch up to the rest of us.
Posted by: DavidRHayes | October 21, 2008 at 19:53
Osborne will have to sue or resign. The hysterical reporting is damaging the party. I believe his statement but good God what a rancid world it all reveals. Palling about with hyper-billionaire oligarchs, hopping from a hedge fund mate's villa to another to some yacht.. It fails the "would I want to know this person" test: no, I wouldn't. "Mandelson was there too"- and? What on earth was he thinking? I'd hoped the ruling elite had given up on the grouse moors.
The political success Osborne had was with the ultras in the party. There are no shortage of other people who could do so. His economic campaign in the last few weeks has been rubbish. DC should get rid of him before he drags the whole party down.
Posted by: Go GO | October 21, 2008 at 19:56
Why can't you all leave it alone. It's a non-story got up by Labour spinners and probably a hiney-trap set by Mandelson .
As I have already told everyone (1848) ALL these Russian oligarchs are bust, kaput skint. This one in particular lost $22,000,000,000. He couldn't afford to buy Osborne a beer now! .
Leave it alone and just laugh at that come-uppance. People who get interested in this kind oif thing watch Big Brother and the like.
What price Chelsea now?
(nb today's Telegraph Business News)
Posted by: christina Speight | October 21, 2008 at 20:03
I don't care for George Osborne's choice of holiday company but there is one big, big lesson from all this: Mandelson is back and playing his old tricks and the media are dancing to his tune. How high would you like us to jump, your Lordship?
Posted by: Tim Montgomerie | October 21, 2008 at 20:41
This has mandy and campbell all over it...the timing of this stinks to high heaven ...and talk about a non-story. The conservative party followed the rules to the letter and said no to a masked donation from a russian. Thanks for letting us all know, can I have the life back I just wasted listening to this rubbish please?
The clarity of the statement above is absolute. Nothing wrong was done, this is a complete non-story.
The funny part is...Cameron gets slammed for 'playing politics' by DOING HIS JOB and holding the government to account on their handling of the economy....but this, obviously bottom of the barrel, politics gets pasted all over the evening news like something illegal has occured...I mean come on!
Enough pandering to these kinds of tactics. The electorate don't care about party funding, especially when NOTHING HAS HAPPENED....they care about whether they will have a job next year. Let's move past this quickly and not get caught up in this kind of nonsense...there are more important things to worry about.
Posted by: No one you know | October 21, 2008 at 20:42
Redwood is, perhaps unfairly, tainted. Cameron knows this and would never promote him to Shadow Chancellor. Suggestions that he should are naive and not for the good of the Conservative Party.
Mandy made a telling comment on AM last Sunday: he said that the "smears" against him were just the Tory press doing the Conservative Party's work for them. Clearly Mandy sees smearing as party work. His motives in this smear campaign are easy to see: the day to day business of revenge. Rothschild's are less clear, but I suspect a) self-interest and b) he's off the Christmas card list.
As for the Osborne's judgement... it's absurd to suggest that he shouldn’t mix with foreign political and economic figures. Mr Deripaska is already an important investor in Britain and more of his billions would be very welcome – especially right now. George Osborne would be failing in his duty if he did not foster good relations with people like Mr Deripaska.
Posted by: Mark Fulford | October 21, 2008 at 20:47
Has there ever been so much grief over a non-donation before?
Posted by: Saltmaker | October 21, 2008 at 20:48
This whole thing looks like a non-story got up by Mandelson et al to deflect DC's attack on Brown tomorrow at PMQs.
Can we get back to a proper discussion about the country's financial crisis.
Posted by: Brian W | October 21, 2008 at 20:54
You're probably right, Tim, but you have to question whether this would have emerged at all had Osborne not leaked his private conversations about Brown. Osborne leaked those conversations for short-term gain - a massive political misjudgement in view of the wall-to-wall damaging coverage we've seen today and which may well remain in the public consciousness.
Posted by: ~Ross | October 21, 2008 at 21:13
Tim @2041 "Mandelson is back and playing his old tricks and the media are dancing to his tune"
Yes aren't you all?
Posted by: christina Speight | October 21, 2008 at 21:18
Re dancing to Mandy's tune, and similar such weak-minded pap: how exactly did Mandelson persuade the shadow chancellor to go out of his way to invite the chief executive of the party to come and meet a Russian touting funds? Really, the hysteria some people spout about Mandelson sometimes stretches credulity just a bit too much.
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 21:26
Some pretty amazing comments on this and the previous few threads. No one should expect better from the likes of ACT but for genuine Conservatives I suggest you all calm down. In the very unlikely event that Osborne is guilty of anything he should be sacked but I really do think that given the vehemence of the denials that there really isn't a story here. I hope all Conservative MPs will have learned to steer well clear of scum like Mandelson and behave with decency at all times.
Posted by: Malcolm Dunn | October 21, 2008 at 21:29
Sounds like Mandleson has decided to go nuclear early as a warning to others wanting to play these games.
What a freak. Speaks volumes for Blair - Guido rumour is that Blair called his bedazzled admirer Nat to encourage him to send the letter. George might be guilty of disclosing the theme of a conversation at a party, but he's well and truly embroiled in a catty super-bitch game now.
ps, since we are on the subject, there was an untrue rumour of old going round that Gordon Brown was gay. Brown was upset and bemused 'someones going round saying I'm gay, I'm not.'
The basis of this was a story with no principle that someone walked in on Gordon and +Mandleson+ in a clinch.
"I love you Gordon, but I can destroy you."
He is poison.
Posted by: Oberon Houston | October 21, 2008 at 21:44
Rave away. Mind you, Mandelson, the man your foam-flecked rage bounces off, is Gidder's ideal luncheon companion. But that of course tells you nothing about Osborne. Much like his risible performance in front of the press earlier told you nothing. Well, it told you nothing honest at any rate.
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 21:49
Tony Blair lied to the HoC about a £1 million donation that changed government policy. Peter Mandelson stays, gratis, on the boat of a man whose business interests he can greatly assist in his enormously powerful position. He has previously made decisions that benefitted this individual.
George Osborne has a cup of tea on a boat. Someone raises the possibility of maybe possibly being able to give the Conservatives £50,000. George says "Nah". I'm glad the press have their priorities right.
Posted by: David (One of many) | October 21, 2008 at 21:59
Malcolm, ACT rubbishes everything I do and everything the Tory leadership does. That's pretty much all you need to know about him.
Posted by: Tim Montgomerie | October 21, 2008 at 22:09
'Rubbishes everything I do' - get a grip Tim. Believe me, I find you significantly less interesting than you find yourself. And feel free to twitter that.
Your, or for that matter, my ego to one side: Nat Rothschild's rebuttal rips apart Osborne's statement. Given your much more, uh, constructive attitude towards 'everything the Tory leadership does', you'd be serving the Party better paying some attention to that rather than hissing at me.
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 22:21
I have a real struggle in the North East deflecting attacks that our Party is ruled by an elite circle that has no concept of real life.."toffs and millionaires, no better than the other lot.."I combat this by saying that we are a broad church and there are a wide variety of people from different backgrounds involved at all levels of the party. Including people like me - who don't have two beans to rub together..I tell people wealth and upbringing are not an indication of your ability. Good and bad in all...This particular mess is not going to make the case any easier to make. Mega rich Russians, Mandelson, old school mates stabbing you in the back..And this at a time when people are losing jobs, income, homes and hopes. It really makes my blood boil!!!!As I have said before - you struggle to get a hearing and some people are making it ten times harder!!!
Posted by: Northern Tory | October 21, 2008 at 22:30
ACT: For someone uninterested in what I/ ConHome writes you spend A LOT of time here!
Your blanket negativity is very unpersuasive.
Posted by: Tim Montgomerie | October 21, 2008 at 22:33
This is nothing more than a classic Labour smear op and some people on this site seem to be falling for it.
Where is the scandal? Osborne meets someone and has a cup of tea with them?
Where is the money?
It would appear though that the more critical members of our party are using this as an excuse to launch a half baked idea to replace Osborne as shadow chancellor.
What's the betting Brown uses a post from here at tomorrow's PMQs?
Posted by: Neil Fitzgerald | October 21, 2008 at 22:34
Oh Tim, but how characteristically modest you're being. ConHome has long since stopped being simply about little old you. I suspect were it just all Tim, all the time, you're right, folk would spend A LOT less time here. And no doubt my 'blanket negativity is very unpersuasive', but then again: who am I trying to persuade?
Posted by: ACT | October 21, 2008 at 22:39
Osborne has handled it reasonably well. He could have silenced the BBC even sooner by saying that Leyland Daf is a substantial UK company controlled by Deripaska, and if Mr Deripaska wanted to make a payment from that company there would be nothing illegal about it, and Messrs Peston and Robonson would do well to consult with their lawyers before making such partisan smears.
Posted by: Mark Williams | October 21, 2008 at 22:45
ACT, you are very boring.
Posted by: Mark Fulford | October 21, 2008 at 22:52
Agreeing with Tim 100%, and wondering why the BBC Economics Editor is being given such free rein to develop a story when there's clearly a conflict of remit and/or interests for him in the story. Clearly this is a political story, irrespective of GO being Shadow Chancellor. Isn't it?
The Dark Lord was brought back just for this stuff, and we need to keep the public informed every time we can.
Posted by: Ben Archibald | October 21, 2008 at 23:17
This is excellent. Perhaps if we appointed ACT to speak on this issue for GO, everybody would grow bored enough to move on. I know I get a good hearty yawn out of ACT every time.
Posted by: Ben Archibald | October 21, 2008 at 23:20
I would second that Mark Fulford. You don't persuade anyone about anything ACT, so why don't you go somewhere where you might find yourself appreciated, if you can find anywhere.
Posted by: Malcolm Dunn | October 21, 2008 at 23:20
Act your're a TACky Cat, and a sCArdy CAT too, since you haven't the guts to sign you're own name!
Posted by: Patsy Sergeant | October 21, 2008 at 23:25
This should make us all determined to get Labour out and, once in power, reform the BBC. Talk about Labour and their friends at the BEEB making a mountain out of a molehill!Instead of slagging each other off on here, contact your local Conservative office in the morning to help with mundane tasks (delivering leaflets, canvassing voters etc). We won't win the election talking to each other of here. Get out there and do the work!
Posted by: Justin Hinchcliffe | October 21, 2008 at 23:46
Tim - PLEASE Stop this thread - it's sheer dumbed-down gossip for the Star or one of the other tabloids - utterly trivial - dancing to spin doctors' tunes .
To go on like this is destroying a good blog ;
Just laugh your head off that Deriwotsit has lost his money TWENTY TWO Billion of it!.
AND -Psst ! Wanna buy Chelsea ? Going cheap!
Posted by: christina Speight | October 21, 2008 at 23:55
Don't worry George. This'll soon blow over.
My list of people I really, really don't like is now:
- Gordon Brown
- Peter Mandelson
- Alistair Campbell
- Nat Rothschild.
And to think that I used to like bankers...
Posted by: Happy Tory | October 22, 2008 at 00:05
The yaugt was fabuluous, stupendous.
Posted by: Gloy Plopwell | October 22, 2008 at 00:18
I spy...
The next Solihull.
Posted by: Gloy Plopwell | October 22, 2008 at 00:22
Well, I have been meaning to get around to reading Lord Ashcrofts "Dirty Politics, Dirty Times".
I am off to try and get a copy.
Posted by: ChrisD | October 22, 2008 at 00:43
Posted by: Tanuki | October 21, 2008 at 19:37
I'm just hoping that Osborne's mobile phone has Peter Carter-Ruck and Partners [libel and defamation lawyers of some repute] set on speed-dial.
It would have to be. He's not very good with numbers.
Posted by: resident leftie | October 22, 2008 at 00:54
I am not in this magic Westminster Village but this I tell you, that Mr Lilley on Newsnight to do the Tory rebuttal was not up to the task.
The IMPRESSION that was left was that Osborne dun something but we just can't prove it. I don't think that was the fact, but when you go elctoral, inpressions count - you have to overcome them. Labour scored here. make no mistake.
Which leads to who is fighting the Tory corner on stratgey and tactics? They need to do a thorough review of what they are at.
If you are hoping that election 2010, Mandy will screw up again, reasonable assumption but not definite. Don't forget the difference.
Posted by: snegchui | October 22, 2008 at 01:49
Bloody hell, as the evenings worn on the - hic - spelling has become class.
My favourite is 'Yaught' by Gloy Plopwell at 00:18 - buuuurp - Wilson! Where is that man WILSON!... oh there you are, don't creep up on me like that.
hic, more brandy, and pour a decent meashure thish time.
Posted by: Oberon Houston | October 22, 2008 at 07:45
Too all those who express shock/horror at Osbourne's' choice of holiday companions. Politics shares a pigsty with high finance. If one works in a pigsty, one gets covered in pig manure. Fact of Life.
Now what interests me is the fact that this whole business is released when Tony/Bernie is nailed good and proper over the F1 tobacco advertising scandal. The Press, having the intelligence of Red Setters without the redeeming qualities, are up and running after a false scent while Mandy and Allie are laughing their socks off. Even Guido buys it, and he's quite intelligent for a Red Setter.
Regular contributors to ConHome are well aware of ACTs' somewhat individualistic world view. Though at times tiresome, he does fulfil the necessary function of the slave in the chariot, and is approaching the status of "national treasure". Why not start a charity for the extra care he will shortly need as an act of humanity?
Posted by: grumpy old man | October 22, 2008 at 10:42