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To Ulster Tory,
I think the problem is that UKIP is weak in Ulster ( as are the other GB parties) but can I suggest you go to the UKIP website and email their HQ for information

A ridiculous post Liberterian. 16% of the vote in a Euro election is nothing.I was not aware I had to think the way Iain Dale does although you might be interested to know that I voted for and campaigned for the Referendum Party in 1997.Waste of time that was.
The facts are Libertarian, that UKIP will not win a single seat at the next general election.How much more busted a flush can there be?

The claim that UKIP `intervention` prevented the election of some Tories at the last general election is false. Here in Runnymede & Weybridge and in neighbouring Spelthorne where UKIP put up candidates, the Tory MPs were returned with ncreased majorities. That is never mentioned of course.

Ulster Tory,

Ulster Tory,

Please accept sincere apologies. In fact Young Independence is open to anyone between the ages of 16 and 35 though I think the members are mostly in the lower part of that age range.

You can read all about them in their latest newsletter here.

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/yi_aug.pdf

I am sure they would be pleased to hear from you even if you do not wish to join.

You are correct too that the EU Sceptic movement is much wider than UKIP. It includes not only many well known Conservatives but also the Labour Peer and former editor of the Times, Lord Stoddart, Labour MPs Frank Field, Kate Hoey, Ian Davidson and Austin Mitchell, the Open Europe Campaign and the Better Off Out Campaign and Tony Benn.

If you cannot bring yourself to join UKIP just now then perhaps you might wish to lend you support to one of the EU Sceptic campaign groups.

You are correct too that UKIP is only part of this overall movement and no-one seriously expects Nigel Farage to ride off down the Mall to see The Queen in the foreseeable future. UKIP does, however, have a role to propose serious alternative policies and to destabilise the complacent Political Class which currently runs all three main parties by appealing, over their heads, to their erstwhile supporters (though no prominent Lib Dems are EU sceptic you would be surprised how many of their voters are).


David, as much as I respect your mistrust of the political class and strong euroscepticism, you will never achieve your aims in the UKIP. Perhaps you should read Wyn Grants insider-outsider theory, and then(re?)join the Conservative Party! :)

Ulster Tory,

I respect you intention your change the Tories from within and I agree that UKIP alone will never get us out of the political EU. But by chipping away at the foundations, we in UKIP help to undermine the citadel of the exclusive political class. One day, the walls will come tumbling down and a proper democracy will be re-established.

Some years ago I did, indeed, think of joining the Tories but I cannot stand David Cameron and I profoundly disagree with just about all current Tory policies (or rather "themes") not just on the EU but also, for example, on the economy, on defence, on education and on energy.

But, you are far younger than I so (probably) less in a hurry. I wish you well!

Inflation is not "imported" as a wicked plot by nasty people in other countries.

Inflation is an increase in the money supply (it may cause a rise in "prices in the shops" or it may cause a bubble in housing or the stock market, or some other area, - but the money supply surge is still inflation).

And this increase in the money supply is caused by some effort or other to generate money to be lent out that is not from real savings. Where there is borrowing without matching saving there must (by definition) be inflation. With the government (via the Bank of England) either in the lead role - or standing behind the private financial institutions.

End of basic Austrian School economics lesson.

As for UKIP:

The importance of UKIP is far more than the number of voters it attracts.

The basic membership of UKIP could be (and in some cases used to be) key Conservative party activists - people who could do work (both in campaigns and in policy research) that is vital to the prospects of a future Conservative party government.

But how are we going to attract these UKIP people to us?

Only by making it clear that we will get powers back from the E.U.

After all with some 80% of all new regulations being the result of E.U. orders it is vital to get these powers back.

Our problem is that Mr Cameron and the rest of the leadership are (justly or unjustly) not trusted to get these powers back.

"But the party is popular".

Are we popular?

Or are we just riding on the back of the unpopularity of the Labour government?

And, contrary to the myth, that is not enough to win a general election.

To turn midterm blues into a general election success we must present something worth fighting for.

And "we are not Mr Brown" is not good enough.

The topic is quite curious, i must say

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