The continuing chatter about the book Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness is covered in a Guardian piece today, which reveals that plans are being made for a weekend retreat for shadow ministers to talk with co-author Richard Thaler and others about potential policies that harness behavioural economics.
Cameron name-dropped their work in a speech last month and Obama's policy advisers have been looking at it very closely. Steve Hilton and other senior party advisers were said to be impressed when they met with Thaler last week. Three policy areas said to be of focus are: how to make it socially unacceptable for the young to carry knives; encouraging people to recycle; and tackling binge drinking and obesity.
Chris Dillow in today's Times sounds a note of caution about financial incentivisation however. He says "introducing payments changes the meaning of activities, reducing good works to cash transactions" and therefore inhibiting altruism. Samuel Coates wrote positively about nudging on CentreRight yesterday: "as far as I'm concerned politicians can nudge away".
"Cameron name-dropped their work in a speech last month and Obama's policy advisers have been looking at it very closely."
Uh oh, if Obama, "Mr Change (but is actually a standard liberal-leftie)" is interested in this then I'd be worried. My issue with the nudge agenda is that it's essentially the nanny state but with a smaller stick. If you want to discourage people from getting fat, deny them free NHS treatment. As for carrying knives, if you want to stop the epidemic of stabbing it may actually be more productive to allow people to carry knives to defend themselves.
Posted by: RichardJ | July 12, 2008 at 11:31
RichardJ - Allowing everybody to to carry knives as a 'defence', would not work in practice, because not everybody is 'quick on the draw' so-to-speak. Perhaps it would be more practical to insist on karate or other self-defence type classes, for children and teenagers, as part of the school curriculum!
Posted by: Patsy Sergeant | July 12, 2008 at 13:04
Interesting. Promising. Nice to see our frontbench on the ball.
Posted by: Alexander King | July 12, 2008 at 13:56
Personally I think it all sounds like a load of balls!!
Posted by: Jack Stone` | July 12, 2008 at 14:49
"Personally I think it all sounds like a load of balls!!"
But Mr Stone, I thought you were a Cameron fan? Sued anyone recently?
Posted by: RichardJ | July 12, 2008 at 19:51
To me this seems a fascinating idea - we are all influenced by peer pressure and a "nudge" seems different from a "Nanny State" shove or push! Informed choices should be the order of the day.
I have ordered the book from Amazon and once I have read it I will no doubt be able to make a more informed comment.
Posted by: Sally Roberts | July 13, 2008 at 08:34
As Sally says, informed comment would no doubt call for a proper look at what is being proposed. One note of caution is that we would not want to see the rule of law being replaced by the "rule of the threat of law", in other words a ministerial nudge comprising the equivalent in practice of "do this or I will make law", which may be nothing more than the Nanny State in disguise.
Posted by: David Cooper | July 13, 2008 at 09:35
Surely there are civil liberties issues with the government nudging people in a certain direction - where exactly does that leave choice?
This will be explained away as 'well the things that we are nudging people to recognized goods i.e. knife crime'.
It is the principle that the government a) knows what is best b) can nudge the public in a direction that it wants to, that I worry about.
RCM
Posted by: Rob Marrs | July 14, 2008 at 21:46
If you, like me, are a genuine conservative (with a small c) then you believe very strongly that the state has no part in nudging, beating or bullying individuals about things that are their own personal decision. Yes by all means provide education that tells people clearly what is likely to happen should they choose one path rather than another but ultimately it is their choice and the state needs to butt out of most aspects of people's lives.
I am dismayed to see that yet again Cameron is choosing to be portrayed as "New Labour but Younger" rather than in a recognisably conservative tradition. If all we are to be offered by the political classes is the same intrusive and oppressive interference in our private lives, with only the methods used differing, then we have all lost and there is really nothing much left to vote or campaign for.
Posted by: Mr Angry | July 15, 2008 at 00:29
The lesson to be learnt from this book/technique, is that we need to be better educated about undue influcences on our behaviour.
It should be a tory educational commitment to make british people 'nudgeproof'.
If people can be 'nudged' to others wills, they are just as susceptible to being led in bad ways as good.
If the state turns its people in to sheep, who can guess when a new shepherd will popup and lead them astray?
As a nation we need more goats and fewer sheep.
Posted by: pp | February 11, 2009 at 10:54
Making things socially unacceptable should extend to irresponsibility in the abstract; those who fraudulently claim to be ill, for example, in order to be paid to do no work should be considered untrustworthy criminals and be socially isolated.
Posted by: James E. Petts | February 11, 2009 at 12:01