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Rising inflation – which hit an eleven year high today
Gosh, who was in government then?

Lower taxes, more spending. What amazing accounting skills. 1.8 million families at 1800 a year, hmm. 3.24 bn.

As we’ve seen from Sweden, empowering parents in this way can have a huge impact when it comes to raising standards and tackling inequality.

The Swedish system works because schools are not allowed to be selective in any way, and there are no fees or top-ups. This is not what the Tories are proposing.

We are constantly told about the hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers being trained each year in China and India, even if some of the qualifications they are getting are of questionable quality.

"...of course, Johnny Foreigner cheats at exams..."

And we are committed to introducing a recognition of marriage into the tax system.

Screw people who live together and don't follow our ideas of morality.

It's the same old Tories with a Blairite spin.

Screw people who live together and don't follow our ideas of morality.

In preference to screwing people who take seriously the commitment of raising a family, yes.

Passing Leftie, you've lectured that public policy has to be based on statistics, not individual circumstances. So now you can shove it up your screw box that, statistically, children with two resident parents do better.

Explain to the forum if you would passing leftie, where in the green paper plans are set out for more selective schooling.

What it actually proposes is to take covert selection out of the equation by liberalising supply and creating a robust incentive structure.

Explain to the forum if you would passing leftie, where in the green paper plans are set out for more selective schooling.

What it actually proposes is to take covert selection out of the equation by liberalising supply and creating a robust incentive structure.

Posted by: Not Jack Stone | July 16, 2008 at 10:34

Passing Leftie, you've lectured that public policy has to be based on statistics, not individual circumstances. So now you can shove it up your screw box that, statistically, children with two resident parents do better.

Oh, I thought it was marriage he was suggesting a tax break for, not "resident parents."

And there is one thing worse than one parent being uninvolved, and that's two parents hating each other being forced to remain together.

You are straightforwardly misunderstanding cause and effect. People who are secure together are more likely to get married, not they are secure because they get married.

Surely you understand this?

Family breakdown will not be aided by a financial incentive to get married. People aren't so cheap. There are lots of good ways of bring up children, and to say that being legally married is better than cohabiting is a moral judgement about peoples' private lives.

Explain to the forum if you would passing leftie, where in the green paper plans are set out for more selective schooling.

What it actually proposes is to take covert selection out of the equation by liberalising supply and creating a robust incentive structure.

Posted by: Deus Ex Machina | July 16, 2008 at 11:00

The big difference with the Swedish voucher system which you conveniently forget is that it can't be "topped up" that is, it's a virtual voucher and not a way of subsidizing privilege. They are also not allowed to test students before entry or select in any way.

If the Tory policy is to allow parents to set up schools privately, select randomly from all applicants, are tested by OFFSTED and not allow top-ups, then I'm in favour of it. I don't think this is the policy, but I'm sure the editor will correct me if I am wrong.

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Resident parents are good for children.
Married parents are more likely to stay resident.
Married parents are better for children.
Taxes should encourage things that serve the common good.
Like italics, all too much for a Leftie?

Resident parents should be encouraged – not face a penalty of £69 a week.
Marriage, one up from resident parents should be further encouraged.

Leftie, why don’t you try justifying a couple penalty of £69 a week?

People aren't so cheap.

Either tax modifies behaviour or it doesn't. Which do you want, green taxes and VED modify behaviour or they don't?

passing leftie,

referring to the schools that could be set up as private is misleading. they will be state funded independent schools. to be entitled to state funds they will not be selective nor will they allow top ups. the voucher will be virtual in the same way that sweden's are.

at the risk of repeating myself, on selection, the point is to take it out of the equation not reinforce it. pupils will choose schools (as opposed to the reverse) only when the supply side is flexible, this is the policy shift

referring to the schools that could be set up as private is misleading. they will be state funded independent schools. to be entitled to state funds they will not be selective nor will they allow top ups. the voucher will be virtual in the same way that sweden's are.

If that is the case I support it, (I have no problem with them being set up privately), but previous policy announcements and the article in the Spectator don't support your take on the policy. I'd be happy to be put right.


Resident parents are good for children.
Married parents are more likely to stay resident.
Married parents are better for children.
Taxes should encourage things that serve the common good.
Like italics, all too much for a Leftie?

I don't think you understand cause and effect.

The people who stay resident, but don't marry include people who are not really committed to each other, so statistically, they are more likely to split up. People who are comitted to each tend to marry.

Resident parents should be encouraged – not face a penalty of £69 a week.
Marriage, one up from resident parents should be further encouraged.

Leftie, why don’t you try justifying a couple penalty of £69 a week?

I agree that couples should not be penalized. I support this policy, but it will require tax increases.


Either tax modifies behaviour or it doesn't. Which do you want, green taxes and VED modify behaviour or they don't?

Posted by: Not Jack Stone | July 16, 2008 at 12:38

It's not black and white. It depends on the value of the incentive, compared to the cost of it. Charging 10p for a plastic bag certainly changes behaviour - the amount of money you'd have to shell out to encourage marriage would be huge, and would not have the effect you desire. It would simply increase the divorce rate.

And, parents who hate each other staying together is provably worse for children than those who divorce.

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