Highlights, not verbatim, from David Cameron's remarks on this morning's Andrew Marr programme:
- Knife crime: Getting caught on the streets with a knife and only getting a caution sends the "most appalling signal".
- Prisons: Conservatives would start building prisons as soon as we came to office - paid for by scrapping the ID cards scheme and by selling the prime propoerty locations of the old Victoria prisons and building new prisons, better equipped for rehabilitation.
- Tax cuts: My decision to resist calls for big taxes has been "vindicated" because of the deteriorating economic poisition... I disappoint people every day in the Conservative Party by saying you can't have that unfunded tax cut. That is what leadership is about.
- Labour's VED plans: There is nothing green about taxing the Ford Mondeo that a family bought a few years ago. I don't think Labour will go ahead with planned VED hike.
- We'll vote for James Purnell's welfare reforms: We have taken tough decisions on the public finances including our ideas on welfare reform. We are "thrilled" that Labour is now taking up Tory get-tough ideas on welfare. If Labour's backbenchers give James Purnell's welfare reforms difficult the Conservative Party will "do the right thing" and ensure their passage. They are the right thing and they will save money.
- Tories are making the running in UK politics: On welfare reform, cleaning up MPs' expenses and knife crime you see a Conservative Party that isn't just taking tough choices but making the running in British politics.
- Heathrow: I'm leaning against Heathrow expansion because the economic case hasn't been made and there could be serious environmental consequences.
- Lisbon Treaty: The Lisbon Treaty should have been declared dead after the Irish vote. If the process is still going on when we come to office we will certainly hold a referendum on Lisbon. If Lisbon has been ratified across Europe by the time of the next election "we won't let matters rest there" and will spell out in our manifesto what we will do. The Conservatives are also committed to hold a referendum on any future EU Treaties that would see powers transferred to Brussels. Click here for Dan Hannan's take on this section of the interview.
I think a large pinch of salt must be taken with anything Hannan writes.
This is the same Dan Hannan who wrote in 2005 that he could not vote Davis, and had to vote for Cameron as Cameron had made a cast-iron pledge to leave the EPP immediately, whereas David would leave the MEP's in to 2009 when it no longer mattered.
Posted by: Chad Noble | July 20, 2008 at 14:35
Whilst many will be disapointed with what Cameron is saying I think the public will respect Cameron for it. Although fresh tax increases would not be welcomed at least Cameron is being truthful unlike Brown who claims to be a tax cutter whilst hiking taxes up masively.
Posted by: Chris | July 20, 2008 at 15:05
Ideology is all very well but Governments have sometimes to be pragmatic and flexible - I think this is what Dan Hannan means (at least I hope it is!)
Posted by: Sally Roberts | July 20, 2008 at 15:26
What I noticed particularly, was the body language. DC was sitting calmly there, rebutting Marr's accusations and casually batting away Mars tries at getting him to commit to unrealistic proposals - Marr's was like a pea on a drum - hands flailing wildly, sitting hunched forward ready to pounce - NOT!
Forget it Marr! DC is a statesman. Our future PM. You would be much better employed doing soft interviews with Nulab.
Posted by: Annabel Herriott | July 20, 2008 at 16:13
Yes Annabel - you are quite right and this is something to note about David Cameron - his ability to look and sound relaxed under pressure! I don't know whether it is something that comes naturally to him or whether he has learned a technique; but it is something that contrasts with Brown and his tormented Heathcliffe appearance and bitten fingernails!
Posted by: Sally Roberts | July 20, 2008 at 16:57
While he didn't really say anything new on the EU Constitution his tone suggested that he was quite prepared to pick a fight with Brussels if necessary, which was very encouraging
I'd have liked to hear something more concrete about what he'd do if he came to power after it had already been ratified, but it's just possible that it may not come to that anyway
Posted by: John Wilkin | July 20, 2008 at 17:53
DC easily dominated Marr. Well done.
Posted by: Goldie | July 20, 2008 at 18:02
"I think a large pinch of salt must be taken with anything Hannan writes."
The failure to leave the EPP serves as a 'cautionery tale'
Trust me Im a regular kinda (Blair clone)guy?
I'd need a handful of salt with Cameron's statements.
If Cameron is ready to campaign against Lisbon in a pre-ratification referendum then clearly he would be equally against Lisbon post ratification so why not offer one then?
Posted by: michael mcgough | July 20, 2008 at 18:51
I agree that it would be foolish to make any promises about taxation, except, perhaps a promise of a simplified and fairer system, when the economic situation may well be even worse in 2010 than it is now. However, I remain sceptical and disappointed by Cameron's continued prevarication over his policy towards the EU. "We shall not let it rest there" is just as platitudinous and meaningless as "In Europe, but not ruled by Europe".
Whilst I accept that for the average voter, our national taxes, crime, employment, housing, immigration and individual liberties, rate higher in their voting priorities than their somewhat vague concept of how these are all governed or influenced by our membership of the EU; this ignorance, deliberately fostered by all of our main political parties,is already beginning to be replaced by a growing sense of anger and betrayal, amongst all those interested enough to vote for any party.
Cameron has already proved that he is a shrewd and successful political operator, but not, for many of us, that he is a man of courage, conviction and integrity. I have no doubt that he understands the full implications of the EU, insofar as it will irrevocably destroy the parliamentary system so long taken for granted by most of us. If he believes that that is a good thing, he should say so, clearly and openly.
If he continues to sit on the EU fence, much longer I hope he will be recorded in history (if at all) as the politician with the barbed wire bum.
Posted by: David Parker | July 20, 2008 at 20:18
DC is looking and sounding more Prime Ministerial every day, and it cannot be easy knowing that he faces the prospect of a totally debt ridden economy when he enters No. 10.
Posted by: Curly | July 20, 2008 at 20:34
Here David Cameron destroys the Labour claim that the Conservatives have no substance. Labour steal our ideas and do not understand that policy making requires long-term thinking. You cannot write the 2010 budget now. What can be more substantial than having something to say on every issue Andrew Marr raised and being prepared to leave the specific policy decisions until the time is ripe? There will be limits to what an incoming Conservative government can do and the worst thing David Cameron could do is make rash promises.
The next Conservative general election manifesto will reflect the specific needs of the time it is written.
Posted by: Votedave | July 20, 2008 at 21:29
Surely if the economy is going into recession this would be a golden opportunity to ratchet back Government spending [and taxes], so leaving more money in the pockets of ordinary people to spend as they choose? Promote this as part of a "freedom agenda" - Conservatives setting people free to make their own spending choices rather than Big Government thinking it knows best how to spend people's money.
Brown/Darling's VED tax-hikes: commit to abandon them; recover the cost by also abandoning some of Brown's stupider policies like baby-bonds and tax-credits.
Heathrow R3: surely this is a pure business decision for BAA to make and an incoming Conservative government shoud simply say "we have no interest one way or another since the government isn't paying for it".
Posted by: Tanuki | July 20, 2008 at 21:46
Tim wrote that Cameron said ""The Lisbon Treaty should have been declared dead after the Irish vote. If the process is still going on when we come to office we will certainly hold a referendum on Lisbon. If Lisbon has been ratified across Europe by the time of the next election "we won't let matters rest there" and will spell out in our manifesto what we will do. The Conservatives are also committed to hold a referendum on any future EU Treaties that would see powers transferred to Brussels."
This is a pathetic sell-out. Cameron will not commit to a post-ratification referendum. Brussels does not need any more Treaties after Lisbon because Lisbon is self-amending. Cameron is, in effect, advocating surrender to the EU super-state.
Dan Hannan's ridiculous piece is no more than Uriah Heepesque crawling. I thought that Hannan was a Euro-realist but now recognise that he's a fraud trying to justify his recommendation to friends to vote for Dave rather than Davis - advice that I regretted taking only a week after Cameron's election.
I have had enough of Hannan's fraudulent posturing and have joined UKIP.
Posted by: TFA Ukipper | July 20, 2008 at 23:58
@Curly: "DC is looking and sounding more Prime Ministerial every day"
Well, he does desperately need a better hair cut.
Posted by: Goldie | July 21, 2008 at 00:59
David Cameron`s wishy-washy statement about the Treaty is the same as William Hague`s: seems they want Ireland to come to the rescue with another `no`.
"We will not leave it there" and a vague promise to put something in the manifesto is unacceptable. They must think we are all stupid. For heaven`s sake, tell us now.
The three main parties are conspiring to keep quiet about the EU`s take-over of our country. Latest example, the abolition of the acre.
Wake up Mr. Cameron or there won`t be any need for a British parliament and you and the rest of them at Westminster will be out of a job. That doesn`t worry me, but the surrender of our country does. I don`t want to be a citizen of Europe,living in a region ruled from Brussels by unelected commissars.
Posted by: Edward Huxley | July 21, 2008 at 07:17
The thing I don't get is this:
"Unfunded tax cuts" ie private spending financed by govt borrowing, is bad.
But
Current govt spending levels are sustainable only by borrowing, and that apparently may be undesirable but is acceptable.
So private spending is inherently worse than govt spending. I fail to see how this is a valid Conservative position.
ALSO I can't help noticing that Cameron will not discuss or rule out tax rises allegedly because he cannot predict a budget two years in advance but has no problem with definitively ruling out tax cuts. Surely if the argument is good for one it's also good for the other.
Posted by: Alex Swanson | July 21, 2008 at 09:22
Alex Swanson and Tanuki made excellent points. The hypocrisy and schoolboy economics of Dodgy Dave and Boy Gideon are appalling. Under them, the Tories are Conservative in name only. In office, they will be as bad as, possibly worse than, Blair and Brown.
Posted by: TFA Ukipper | July 21, 2008 at 10:02
When did Cameron rule out tax cuts? He has said no to unfunded tax cuts but that is not the same as ruling out tax cuts completely. He and Osborne have both said that they want taxes to be lower.
And no, he is not saying that private spending is worse than government spending, despite your tortuous logic. Government borrowing is far too high. The current level is neither desirable nor acceptable. The point being made is that it would be irresponsible to push borrowing even higher at the moment with unfunded tax cuts.
There is also the political point that unfunded tax cuts allow Labour to do their usual "100,000 nurses on the dole, 20,000 schools closed" act. Fully funded tax cuts avoid that.
Posted by: Peter Harrison | July 22, 2008 at 14:55