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LoL. Spineless careerists hold their tongue to hedge their career bets and bide their time, and you laud it as a Cameron success!

Do you seriously believe that these people will not suddenly admit to 'having concerns' all along once Cameron is sacked?

I bet this poor attempt at seeking put forward pro-Cameron threads was performed through gritted teeth!

I cannot help thinking that the whole tenor of this article and the previous is quite defensive.

Concern over strategy is not confined to grassroots members, or even backbenchers who got a raw deal at the last '22 when DC marched in, made his speech and marched out without taking questions or listening to the concerns of backbenchers. Just try that one at Party Conference.

Team Cameron has no option but to go forward, but the unity of the frontbench should hardly be heralded as an achievement considering there has just been a reshuffle.

To impress me with an achievement I'll need to see some Labour blood on the political pavement.

"What is remarkable is that the real Top Tories have been very loyal to Project Cameron." I am not sure that "remarkable" is the word I would use.

"Project Cameron's key achievements": you really are making me laugh.

You mean they are as united and loyal to their leader as the Roman senators were in Julius Caesar's time. The difference is only that they don't need to knife him in the back as he is finished.

It would have looked better if the Conservative Party had shown that they had the courage to fire him.

Has the CCHQ asked for these "Save Dave" articles here and in Telegraph?

Funny. Some people might consider an *increasing* membership as a sign of success rather than the silence of a handful of potential candidates for the next leadership election!

As we know, membership has been falling rapidly under Cameron.

Unity ... hmmmm ... but not as we know it.

Loyalty ultimately is born out of understanding that David Cameron has the potential to be a great prime minister. He is a man who not only leads the party but also has the vision needed for Britain in the 21st century. David Cameron is innovative, that takes courage, because to talk about and bring about widescale change invites reaction. Those around David Cameron can see that the new direction isn't merely about winning the election, but rather it is about having a blueprint to take our nation into the early 21st century. In other words a vision. David Cameron has that vision. That inspires loyalty.

I'm glad that CH has decided to run this series of posts.

For quite a while proper debate on the direction of the leadership of the Conservative Party has been stifled by the strong views of a relatively few people both within and outwith the party. They represents an overall minority of members but they hog the debate by using provocative eye catching language. The popular media has concentrated on them for just this reason. One of the strengths of ConHome is that we don't need to follow that bandwagon and can direct the focus onto more constructive discussion of policy, strategy and direction.

That inspires loyalty.

Posted by: Tony Makara | August 08, 2007 at 08:36

You are becoming very amusing Tony Makara - you sound like a PR man along the lines of Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf aka Baghdad Bob aka Comical Ali

I have to say I also find Tony's view a bit odd.

If you define 'Top Tories' as people who are in the shadow cabinet, it surely does not come as a great surprise that most of them are at least superficially loyal, for the moment, to Dave.

And as for that 87 percent, I think you'll find that's the number who thought it inadvisable to sack the party leader this side of a general election (perhaps as little as two months away!), which hardly seems a ringing endorsement of 'Project Cameron', whatever that might be.


I have no idea as yet what I'll have for lunch, but one will let you know tonight.

Tomtom,Bill, I support David Cameron because I want to see a prime minster who is going to unite all shades of opinion in our country. For too long our nation has ripped itself apart with ideology and factions. We need to unite as a people and rebuild our country. David Cameron is the only leader today who is talking about bringing the nation together.

One of the reasons why I visit ConsHome much less frequently than I used to is the number of whingeing anti-Cameron comments that are posted.

According to my MP, that 1922 meeting was a resounding success for DC.

I know that I will continue to give him my support, for what it's worth, because apart from any other consideration, I am sick to death of what has been done to our country and its people by 10yrs of Labour misrule.

In May, the Conservative Party was immensely successful at the local elections - we could build on that, but the usual Moaning Minnies just want to knock, knock, knock until they have destroyed the last chance of our further success.

And no, no-one at CCHQ has asked me to post this, I'm just a normal Tory volunteer who is more interested in the well-being of my country and my Party than posting negative and harmful public comments.

A good article Edotor. You were right to remind people about the Stalin quote and the musings of Charles Clarke.However I've been very struck by the discipline of both Labour and Lib Dem parliamentarians who seem to have been scrupulously loyal to their leaders despite both having much to complain about!

Tony Makara seems to live in a little world of his own. What ideology what factions.?Surely Tony Blair's greatest contribution to politics was, he rid the country of politics. Whatever reason there are for voting for any particular party it won't be because of their policies. Its all now down to personalities, who ever suits at that particular moment wins, thats about it really. Wake up Tony and smell the coffee, the political party is as dead as the Dodo, 'It's all over now baby blue'

I'd love to know what the biggest beast of all thinks. That is, of course, Lady T. Then again, I'm not too confident it'd be good news for Cameron... :P

because I want to see a prime minster who is going to unite all shades of opinion in our country.

Sounds like Fascism....Prime Ministers are politicians....the way you write is redolent of Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuehrer

This article is a good example of how bloggers challenge the herd-like story-making traditional media. It goes against the flow with better arguments and fairer comparisons.

Tony Makara | August 08, 09:49

Please define "nation" and "country" in the context of your exhortation.

First off, Chad Noble as the first comment, your comments with the long handles are blindingly obvious to everybody who reads them and could you please grow up.

Secondly, well done Tim for this article. The so called standard bearers of the right are fully behind Cameron, to a man, and it is about time somebody pointed out the massive increase in donations seen under David Cameron's leadership.

Ash Faulkner, I think you'd be wrong. The candidate in South Northamptonshire blogged some months ago Lady T was doing fundraising for women2win!

As a labour supporter. Getting rid of Cameron could kill you off. Why would anyone take a seriously a group who get rid of their leader every time they fall behind. It is like a soccer side who sack their boss every year. You will be the Newcastle Utd, or Heart of midlothian of politics. I accept you have worries on his non right wing views, but what does that have to do with winning an election.
I do think Rifkind should be brought back to a good position. He has real experience, that everyone would respect, and is a superb debater. Why do you overlook him. Is it because I am black, I mean he is scottish.

David, Personality, or rather character, does matter in politics. Particularly when it comes to chosing a leader. I do partly agree with your argument that the old political structures have had their day. There is certainly an argument that political parties divide our country, but they do also provide a a medium for the expression of shared interests. There is no doubt that the modern voter is more eclectic, and his voting pattern less predictable. In the future more direct democracy might become the norm.

Unity? After the divisive tosh written by Peter Franklin, a party official, on this site today?

The hypocrisy is sickening!

For years I have stayed in the Conservative Party to try and change it from within, but the Cameron project has gone so far in the opposite direction, that I have now left the Party, and at last am free to say what I like without being accused of splitting the Party. I also am understanding why ex Conservatives turn on their old Party, more so than other Parties. No wonder such hatred has built up.

I read the first comment by Scraping the bottom of the barrel and was incensed.

I had the fortune earlier in the year to meet with David Davis and it was clear that David Cameron had brought a new sense of togetherness to the party - something anyone would recognise as a necessary element on the road to victory.

If Scraping the bottom of the barrel is so cynical why is he vising a political blog/website?

These 'key achievements' of Project Cameron seem somewhat forced, don't they?

Who wants to be part of "One Nation" that includes Chav trash, hip-hop "bruthas" and Islamofascists? Not me!

It is true, bar one notable exception who is disloyal to Cameron every time the word Europe is mentioned. Need I name the character? I think we all know who he is anyway. The Right On Member for Rushcliffe. Only Rushcliffe is letting the Party down. Otherwise Cameron's got a good and loyal team it seems.

I agree with SJM that there are a lot of whingy anti-Cameron comments posted these days but I take that as a positive sign - if the dinosaurs are whinging that much then Cameron must be doing something right.

Indeed, some of you headbangers should listen to your godfathers (i.e. Davis, Hague and Fox) - they support Cameron, why don't you?

If you cannot write in a mature fashion EML maybe you should go back to school and learn to behave in a more adult fashion. It may be "cool" to write like a semi-literate hoodlum in your environs but when publishing on the Website could you try and appear better educated in case some browsing journalists decides you are another product of a failed educuation system ?

TomTom, you are becoming a bit of a bore with your increasingly personal attacks on other posters. You never have anything positive to say about most issues, but give the negative attacks on other posters a rest.

TomTom, you are becoming a bit of a bore with your increasingly personal attacks on other posters. You never have anything positive to say about most issues, but give the negative attacks on other posters a rest.

Posted by: Scotty

Run along now Scotty. It is about time people started posting in an adult fashion and not at the juvenile level of EML's posting at 13.45. If that is your level so be it.

As for being "a bit of a bore" you certainly have that down pat. You do nothing but attack anyone who does not share your cloned viewpoint but rarely engage in any intellectual discussion. I am sorry if your head hurts when you try to think, but little groupies singing Hail to The Chief are a laughing stock for the electorate.

It is about time the level of discussion was raised above terms like "headbangers" - and similar childish comments

I look forward to seeing you raise the level of debate then Tomtom. It would be the first time you've done that, wouldn't it?

Although Peter Lilley and Stephen Dorrell are seen as being from a very different standpoint on things, with Peter Lilley seen as being more Thatcherite actually if anything Stephen Dorrell holds similar views with regard to the EU and with regard to cutting public spending and withdrawing state involvement and encouraging people to take personal responsibility - if anything Stephen Dorrell is very keen on a radical approach and Peter Lilley seems more to favour a more gradualist approach, and both have a libertarian approach.

I look forward to seeing you raise the level of debate then Tomtom. It would be the first time you've done that, wouldn't it?

Posted by: malcolm | August 08, 2007 at 16:12


Take a whiff of smelling salts Malcolm...you're coming down with rthe vapours again

It isn't Loyalty and it isn't Unity. What it is is nothing more than Wait and Seeism.It really isn't much of an achievement, if it's one at all.

Re-arrange these words to discover the truth:

Straws at clutching

"Straws at clutching"

Straw men more like, and clearly deliberate.

These threads are clearly just constructs to attack Cameron from behind a thin veneer of 'support'.

I'm off to Platform 10.

I thought you might at least try Tomtom or Rick or whatever your name is, but no failed again!Your opinions like your insults really are of no value whatsoever.

"Your opinions like your insults really are of no value whatsoever."

Sigh. That does appear to be the official Cameroon mantra...

Project Cameron's key acheivements? I can't think of one. The biggest achievement David Cameron will ever have is when he quits as leader and hands over to someone who knows how to win and act like a proper leader.

'knows how to win'? What are over 300 net council gains in 2006 and over 900 in 2007 if not winning? There's a long way to go - and unity, discipline and focus are key. The Party can't have the mature policy debate and make the tough policy decisions that need to be taken at the end of the policy groups process unless there is agreement on the outcomes we want, and first among those, for Conservatives, should be a Conservative government.

Classic example of what really upsets the Voters in the news today. Browns governement wants to allow back to the U.K. five British residents. Only problem to your average law abiding Brit was that four of them were 'residing' in Afghanistan at the time they were captured by the Americans.The states of which they are citizens have not wanted them back but the dear old British can be counted on to stepforward and welcome them back from Afghanistan via Guantamao.
Still must not keep'banging on' about immigration.

Classic example of what really upsets the Voters in the news today. Browns governement wants to allow back to the U.K. five British residents. Only problem to your average law abiding Brit was that four of them were 'residing' in Afghanistan at the time they were captured by the Americans.The states of which they are citizens have not wanted them back but the dear old British can be counted on to stepforward and welcome them back from Afghanistan via Guantamao.
Still must not keep'banging on' about immigration.

Actually Fiona the problem is that Conservatives do want to see a conservative Government, but the Cameroons do not.

Mr Angry, when you change the government, you change the country.

Change the government first - the rest will follow and you will get the conservatism you want.

But to do achieve that, I think the discipline and focus that Fiona speaks of, are key.

As Tapestry so rightly points out, one of those Top Tories is not very loyal at all. Whenever the subject of the EU arises, he goes out of his way to givce Gordon Brown ammunition.

Now if I Ken just remember what his name was....

"Project Cameron's key acheivements? I can't think of one. The biggest achievement David Cameron will ever have is when he quits as leader and hands over to someone who knows how to win and act like a proper leader."

Such as...Hague? IDS? Howard? If at first you don't suceed...they didn't do all that badly, did they? I think they managed to raise the Conservative vote by about 1% in two elections - that's pretty impressive...

I can't help feeling that behind this solid front of support for Cameron by David Davis, William Hague etc there is real panic.
It's quite clear to me that, if David Cameron were to fall, these so-called supporters are likely to admit to 'having had concerns' as indicated by 'Scraping the bottom of the barrel' (Aug 8 at 6.36).
I've never known so much seething resentment of a Conservative leader as there is at present.
When are we going to admit that, as in the Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale, the 'Emperor has no clothes'?

I suppose you haven't met any of the 87% CH readers who wish Cameron to remain as leader then Northern Conservative.
I suspect most of the 'top Tories' who have come out in support of David Cameron recently realise how insane it would be to change leaders yet again,particularly so close to a possible General Election.

I suppose sitting down in your sleepy village down in Essex you don't get to vist Northern England much...maybe you should.

Yorkshire Tories' breakaway bid
Exclusive by Bob Roberts And John Kelly 06/08/2007

It is quite a headline from England's largest county

He was told the party in Yorkshire is on the verge of meltdown, with members leaving in droves. In West Yorks alone, 250 party loyalists out of a total of 500 are refusing to renew their membership.

Some of those present said they were ready to form a breakaway party if Cameron were to be defeated at the next election but refused to quit.

The source added: "We are stuck with him, we all agreed about that. But his hand is on the tiller and it's better that it still is when we go down at the elections. "At least after that we can start over again - or even start a new party. We can't go on as Tories like this.


Maybe Northern Conservative knows more than you do Malcolm....not that you would ever admit it....you only learn general election by general election.

TomTom, its amazing what you can do with a selective cut and paste job?

Lets look at the whole article from that bastion of impartiality on Conservative politics >The Daily Mirror!

New link
>The Daily Mirror

Reading ConHome (as I do increasingly infrequently these days), makes one realise just how far we have to go.

Reading the TomTom-alikes is highly reminiscent of the Hatton-Bennite-militant strain of the old Labour party complete with their 'no surrender to the electorate' ideological purity.

Editor, I am not sure that this is 'conservative party roots' anymore - but rather the mirror image of the Daily Kos. Unrepresentative, unelectable and unhelpful.

Reading the TomTom-alikes is highly reminiscent of the Hatton-Bennite-militant strain of the old Labour party complete with their 'no surrender to the electorate' ideological purity.

If only Simon could read he could start to think - my point is that you have abandoned the electorate - the activists in West Yorkshire are frightened of being destroyed because of a party clique making them unelectable.

The Conservative Party is heading for destruction in Yorkshire because it is alien to the electorate

Scotty - this is the THIRD time that article from The Mirror has been posted on this site in the past 24 hours - it is good that you have finally looked it up and read it

BTW Simon the more you reference everything about the Conservative Party with the Labour Party the more you reveal that you see David Cameron as Neil Kinnock.

A very revealing slip on your part.

'Scotty-this is the THIRD time that the article has been posted on this site in the last 24 hours'-Tomtom. So what's your point? Merely to show us that you read a quality newspaper like the Mirror?And blindly accept its anonymously sourced story that was picked by no other newspaper? Yet again Tomtom you do yourself no favours with a post like this. You should stick to posting irrelevant quotations that you've found on google.

this is the THIRD time that article from The Mirror has been posted on this site in the past 24 hours

As opposed to this story, sourced from a local councillor in regional media, which is being posted for the first time. The Miror (as the self-confessed "card-carrying" Labour paper) has an obvious editorial slant, and is probably not the best source to use to illuatrate your point.

If some Yorkshire activists are really having problems getting their message across, I can't imagine that any of them would think this would help them be taken seriously. We do need to tailor our messages and continue to look at how we communicate them on a local basis as always, but we need to get better and get smarter, not give McGuire & Co at the Mirror a good story.

The Daily Mirror article mentioned Cllr Whitaker's dissent from the published article too -

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