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I just think that although this isn't exactly great for us, with the headlines for tomorrow already known this is very badly timed (for him). His letter doesn't explain why he's joined Labour. Why not become independent?

To paraphrase Harry Perkins (Ray McAnally in A Very British Coup)
"Ladies and gentlemen - I give you tomorrow's headline:

'Brown boost as top Tory defects!' "

As resignation letters go thought it was over the top and very personal, in fact too personal and bitter for him to come out it looking well or principled.
This has obviously been planned for a while and the timing is meant to give Brown a boost rather than his party???!!!
Again I don't think that it will play well for either Brown or Quentin Davis and especially for Labour in the polls. Brown's team continue to show very poor political astuteness on timing and presentation.
Everything is done with a clunking fist and that often backfires.

Nick Robinson just confirmed on News 24 that this has been in the works for months...

Robinson also says that defection letter reads like it was written by Labour HQ.

Can there be any more doubt that he has just baught himself a sleepy retirement in the other place?

This is nothing to do with Cameron and everything to do with an MP's super-ego.

1. Alan Howarth.
2. Peter Temple-Morris.
3. Shaun Woodward.
4. Robert Jackson.
5. Quentin Davies.

Quentin Davies you are an utter, utter IDIOT!!!!

No other words, just a complete and utter Idiot!!!!

Explain to me, how you can comfortably sit as a Conservative MP - for so many years - under presumably more palpably and percievedly right-wing leaders, and then when we finally have a Centrist leader who finally "gets it" in regards to appealing to a much broader electorate, you defect to of all things the Brownite "Tax-and-Waste" Labour Party?

I am based in Newcastle, but by god I will be travelling to Stamford to help the local Conservative Association crush you, should we ever be fortnuate enough to have a by-election

Let me just say it one more time......IDIOT !!!!

His love of the EPP puts him outside even Cameron's very centerist 'big tent'.

He's no loss between now and the election, and if he'd been a conservative then he'd have been a 'bedblocker' taking up a seat that would be better going to some new blood. As it is, this is a great opportunity for A-listers still looking for a constituency.

(His June 13th article was, self regarding, pompous, and patronising towards a party leadership which he probably resents for being so much younger and more popular than ever he could be)


The Conservative party is and will remain a "broad church"
If we do not respect the views of colleagues with whom we disagree then we will not deserve to remain in the main stream of political life. Some writers on this site should remember this.

IDS initiated the break with the EPP Policy, Quentin. I'm getting confused about this - this praising IDS thing. Trying to make our Dave feel like a worm, you're overdoing it. Yes IDS was a great bloke, but if it's policies that bother you, IDS was far more eurosceptic than Dave.

But don't worry. They love distorted facts over in the Labour Party. You'll find it a nice home.

Liberal Tory - I think you'll find when the British state has had all its power usurped and its laws dictated in Brussels it won't matter who is in power in Westminster.

This is what the Europhiles just fail to get. Their agenda is one of surrender and hope that the new master will be kind.

Many of us do not want this passive servitude and will act to prevent it.

Quite right Michael. Cameroons and Traditionals are sadly very hostile and intolerant towards each other on here. At least with Quentin Davies we can all unite in our condemnation as he is neither!

Given the timing, he's probably been promised something by Brown. His last chance at climbing the greasy pole, basically.

His main objection to Cameron was the lack of 'principle' in proposing to break the 'solemn' treaty with the EPP-ED that the Conservatives would sit with them in the European Parliament. But what about the greater principle of being true to your beliefs and not remaining attached to a group which unapologetically promotes European federalism ? On this issue, Cameron is absolutely right and no defections from the QD's of this world should deter him from his intention to leave the EPP-ED in 2009. QD is clearly still at heart a diplomat: from his letter he didn't join the party until he was over 30, and his main concern is being welcomed in the 'Chancelleries of Europe'.
The chancelleries of Europe are welcome to him.

How many people know Margaret Thatcher was born in Grantham? Not many.
Does it matter he represents a seat where a former PM was born? Not a bit.
Is he a senior Tory? Only in the senior citizen sense.

I've long believed we need a clear out of has beens with no future who are conservative in name only, so QD we are better off without.

Another rare case of a rat joining a sinking ship? There's no denying that this is bad news in the short term, and if the flooding across the county wasn't the main news story it would be considerably worse. Davies is an almost sacrificial offering to aid the smooth passage to the Brown premiership - hence the attack on Cameron.

However, in the longer term, this could well be good news. Many people on the right of the party will find the defection of a europhile reassuring - and it could very well serve to calm the nerves of those muttering about the delay in delivering Cameron's EPP pledge.

Every cloud has a silver lining - and I doubt many of the cooler heads in our party will be crying salt tears over the loss of an outdated Europhile...

His letter read very much like it had been written by Brown's SpAds, it reminds me in style of the statements hostages give under coercion!

They're clearly trying to get at Cameron's trustworthiness, particularly with the way he emphasised how wrong it was to want to leave the EPP because of the "solemn agreement" made to sit with them at the start of this cycle of the European Parliament.

Does he not see the comparison between that and his leaving the Conservative Party mid-cycle despite his own "solemn pledge" to the party and to his voters to sit on the blue benches?

Abrasive and arrogant in his dealings is my personal experience of Mr Davies.

He now has generated in me an ounce of sympathy for Mr Cameron, who could not have done more to form the party to the pleasure of Mr Davies (apart from the EPP issue) and this is the reward he gets.

Tomorrow's Brown Minister for Europe seems the obvious boon for his timely defection.

Sickening to see a letter so clearly written by the Labour front bench too.

I,ve always found it to be contemptible for politicians to change sides and not be forced to stand down from their constituancy and fight a bi election under their new party banner.
If you change sides and stay on as MP for your constituancy and still get paid you are not principled, far from it you,re nothing but a money grabbing, traitorous rogue.
Davies has not only cheated the local party and the people who worked tirelessly to get him elected but also those who voted for him.
I would hope that the democracy task force addresses this issue because events like this merely add to the cynisism and low opinion the public has for politicians.

"I have never done business with people who deliberately break contracts, and I knew last year that if you left the EPP-ED Group I could no longer remain in a party under your leadership.

Who's the obsessive here?

Just because a previous leader has made an agreement, a newly crowned one has to honour it? That really is a strange philosophy. Especially as DC took the compromise view that he should honour the agreement until the next election.

Its a shame when anyone gives our opponents a PR coup like this, but someone who can describe GB as " entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country" is of questionable value in our party.

The people of Grantham and Stamford have been lied to. There should be an immediate by-election.

Quentin Davies has no honour.

"Robinson also says that defection letter reads like it was written by Labour HQ."

That is interesting, it is never easy to defect to another party but I think that the manner, timing and sheer personal nature of the letter will backfire on both Quentin Davies and Brown.
Only Brown could manage to make the Labour party look "nasty and opportunistic" on what should have bee a PR dream for them.

And on "They work for you" he has voted "Strongly against equal gay rights". I wish him many happy hours in the Labour Party and with his progressive European friends. Do you think he will tell them?

BAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaa

Mixed feelings about this.

First instinctive thought is good riddance. He has always been one of the worst examples of the old Patrician Tories who think they have a god given right to rule and that awkward matters like democracy are just an inconvenience. His attitude on the EU is typical of this.

I also agree with him to a certain extent about Cameron and his emphasis on spin and presentation over substance and principle.

But. Given a choice between Cameron and Brown it really would be no contest and how anyone who ever claimed to be Conservative either big or small 'C' can think that Brown is a better man to lead the country is beyond me. And so I am not one of those dancing for joy that he has gone.

Actually I am glad he has gone from the party but sorry that it gives Labour the ability to make political capital. Given Cameron's improved performance over the last few days he deserves better than this as a reward.

"1. Alan Howarth.
2. Peter Temple-Morris.
3. Shaun Woodward.
4. Robert Jackson.
5. Quentin Davies."

We shall just have to cope as best we can with the loss of such political giants.

Far be it from me to intrude on private grief but consider: defections are going leftwards, not rightwards, as is the popular misconception on here.

It is not the pipsqueaks of UKIP Cameron needs to worry about, but the more sober and realistic pro Europeans in the Liberal Democrats and Labour.

Britain just isn't as eurosceptic as Conservative anti-EU obsessives suppose.

Wonder if he spoke to Sean Woodward about his experiences as a defector before making his mind up? Not that Davies has a butler and a Sainsburys heiress wife, but in Woodward's case he has only managed - in return for eight years of worshipping Tone from the Labour benches, and no doubt having to grimace his way through social(ist) events with people he previously thought unfit to polish his boots - to obtain the role of under secretary of state at the Department of Culture. What could the Clunking Fist have promised Davies?

One other aside. How quickly did Woodward's Conservative successor in Witney rise through the ranks after his election in 2001? Ironic...

The EPP broke the EPP-ED deal by not funding it as they promnised. The contract was breached well before the subject of leaving came up.

Quentin will do well in Labour, the home of distorted facts. Imagine what it will be like for him at his club next week. No G & T's from the old boys eh? Have to swill some beer with Dennis Skinner. Poor bugger. He'll regret it.

Try to see the wood for the trees

Do you really think that this will be the only stunt like this, Brown has had 10 YEARS to get his first 100 days word perfect.

We need to keep a close eye on our Europhile MEP's and our 'back catalogue' (Patton et al)

Fasten your seat belts indeed - some leadership would be welcome.

"If the trumpet gives forth an uncertain sound who shall prepare for the battle?"

Try to see the wood for the trees

Do you really think that this will be the only stunt like this, Brown has had 10 YEARS to get his first 100 days word perfect.

We need to keep a close eye on our Europhile MEP's and our 'back catalogue' (Patton et al)

Fasten your seat belts indeed - some leadership would be welcome.

"If the trumpet gives forth an uncertain sound who shall prepare for the battle?"

Crossing the floor is one way to get noticed. It's one guy, one guy's self-focused agenda. We're having a bad fortnight. We've had lots of really good fortnights, and if we hold our nerve and be quite nice to each other, we'll be back on track again soon.

Those calling for Davies to resign are wrong by the way.

We do not vote for a party in general elections. We vote for an individual to represent us as he sees fit at Parliament. It is understood that he has thefreedom to make what alliances and join what parties he chooses.

We may not like it and I am certainly not a fan of Davies by any means but under the rules both in letter and spirit he has no need and no moral imperative to resign his seat.

By the way, this only applies to those elections where we vote for a person. In the EU elections where we are forced to vote for a party list then I believe that the incumbent should resign if he changes parties.

There is laughable hypocrisy in the way he attacks David Cameron’s "PR agenda", then announces his defection with a PR stunt on the eve of his new leader’s appointment. It was probably a good move for his constituency though, which will now get showered with cash to ensure his re-election.

Ok. Hands up. I am stunned. Having left because Dave is so unConservative, it's not funny, I find it hard to believe that Mr Davies' action is anything other than the consequence of failed personal ambition or a real europhilia.

Either way, Project Dave is starting to look extremely wobbly.

Heh, heh, heh ... oh, it does warm the cockles to read all these self-serving, self-deceiving, self-doubting, back-biting comments. Nice to see all the humanity, sympathy and teeth-grinding doubt festering away here. And after Portillo on Sunday as well. Salt for the wound, anyone?

So what about a Labour MP for Grantham? Who's a thunk it.

Have to agree with his logic about Cameroonery, too. Gives us a proper Tory Party to kick around, please. The last few weeks have been shot-fish-in-barrel stuff.

"Does he not see the comparison between that and his leaving the Conservative Party mid-cycle despite his own "solemn pledge" to the party and to his voters to sit on the blue benches?"

A very good point made by Sam!

Stamford has a terrific association and will find a good candidate - just like Witney did!

"I have never done business with people who deliberately break contracts, and I knew last year that if you left the EPP-ED Group I could no longer remain in a party under your leadership."

Yet joins the Labour party which lied to take us to war, a party which is breaking its contract with the people by denying us a referendum on the Constitution, above all an MP who is breaking his contract with his constituents, I am afraid to say Quentin Davies is just another sour faced Euphile, a treacherous bunch if ever there was.

Quentin Davies MP defects to Labour!

Rat joins sinking ship.

Well Editor you do know mine and No my comments are not going to be extreme.
Mr Davis was a Tory gentleman and it saddens me to read people slagging this man off.
He was Ok for the Tories yesterday but not today.
The man has principles just as a good many others have.
I hope you do not consider this post to be PERSONAL AND CHILDISH, but perhaps you just might learn a thing or two that you would probably have learned if you were not so hasty in trying to offend people OFF your blog-site.
Read-Listen and Learn!

Richard Tyndall may have the letter of the law on his side, but not the spirit. He points out that we vote for individuals. This might have been true in the days of Fox and Pitt but we have been voting for parties since the Victorian era. That being so, the majority in Davies's constituency is no longer properly represented and it is a scandal. A man of principle would not cross the floor without subjecting himself to a by-election - and don't give the example of Churchill. He was the exception. Davies in no way matches up to him.

I have never done business with people who deliberately break contracts, and I knew last year that if you left the EPP-ED Group I could no longer remain in a party under your leadership."

But the Conservative Party hasn't left the EPP (even assuming that the Party leader has any binding obligation to the EPP).

And as you correctly point out, he's breaking his pledge to his constituents and activists to remain a Conservative MP.

I like the fact he was so offended Cameron threatened to withdraw from the EPP-ED Group that he himself has resigned from it and joined the Party of European Socialists!

A discourteous display of disloyalty; you know it is a personal attack when a point is made that it is not.

Whether you like charismatic leaders or not, whether you like winners or not - this is the choice. You no longer have the luxury of a majority or poll lead to fritter away.

Do you want power - or do you want to destabilise with your own agenda? Is Cameron to the left of Brown? Really? - if you truly think so, it is time for you to join Mr Davies. To do anything else other than to keep quiet or provide constructive support is a tacit vote for Brown; that is the uncomfortable reality of successive electoral defeats and a ten year old administration that is in the lead.

"Believing that as I do, I clearly cannot honestly remain in the Party. I do not intend to leave public life. On the contrary I am looking forward to joining another party with which I have found increasingly I am naturally in agreement and which has just acquired a leader I have always greatly admired, who I believe is entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country which I fully share."

So, out of a 1,244 word letter, just 81 are devoted to explaining why he is joining the Labour Party. I am both shocked and appalled by this, though sadly it is increasingly striking me that many modern day politicians no longer have a spine. His letter might be good enough to explain why he wants to resign from the Conservative Party; it is not good enough to explain why he is joining the Labour Party. But then again I suspect there is no clear reason as to why he wants to join, he is just after power. The man is a fool and is spineless. He reminds me of my ex-MP Emma Nicholson - no principles, no spine, and no loss to the Conservative Party. Good riddance.

Despite the many silly comments here, it is obviously a shame to lose an experienced Conservative and former Shadow Cabinet member. It would have been better to be able to persuade him to stay - but not at any cost. It seems from his letter as if he had some problem of principle with the decision to leave the EPP, and so perhaps his departure was inevitable.

Anyway...sorry to see him go, I'm sure he'll make a worthy opponent. Now...back to Project Cameron. Onwards and upwards!

This is an absolute coup for Brown among the chattering classes, just as Harman’s u-turn on Iraq was a shocker for Brown among those same chattering classes.

None of this stuff decides elections, so no need to make a fool of yourself by pretending this defection is good for Cameron. Just admit it’s a blow but perhaps play down the consequences?

Presumably he's got his own butler (?)

The silly old fool has gone gaga..He claims David Cameron is all about Spin and Style and nothing else....THis comes the day that Labour has changed its own logo, and has spun this defection. He probably lost his marbles and wandered into the wrong room.
Hes a fool. Why should we not want a vote on Europe. Brown and Blair have sold our Country out to a bunch of garlic munching surrender monkeys, and people like Davies should quite frnakly move to France.

Lets not be complacent. Its all part of Browns 100 day plan. He has spent many many years planning this. There will be an early general election, and then the people of Grantham can dump this old fool....

He was OK yesterday, Joseph, because yesterday he was not yet a traitor to his party. Changing one's mind is fair enough; but to do so whilst sitting on a majority which elected you when you thought differently; to use the change as an opportunity to cause maximum damage to your old friends; to make a nonsense of the bulk of your opinions out of a pig headed loyalty to just the one - these are not the actions of a gentleman, tory or otherwise. They are the schemes of a wretched scoundrel, a miserable bigot and a sad case.

Mark Fulford "There is laughable hypocrisy in the way he attacks David Cameron’s "PR agenda", then announces his defection with a PR stunt on the eve of his new leader’s appointment." I know, you could not make it up, it is priceless.

Sean & Daniel, thanks for making me LOL.

Message to CCHQ, if you have any defections lined up to cross over to our party please watch and learn so we don't make such a cock up with timing and presentation.
While the county is suffering severe weather and hardship with flooding it all looks very self serving, and for heavens sake don't write their resignation letter for them.

Well done Henman beating Moya!!!

and well done Quentin Davies!!!

Davies has just confirmed that Cameron’s a real threat to the Constitution, which Blair and Brown and Murdoch’s media were all saying he wasn’t yesterday.

Cameron doesn’t need to say a word.

Davies seems like a bad-tempered bitter politician gone to join Gordon Brown, another one. Birds of a feather.

I feel rather sorry for him. Defectors rarely go anywhere once they change sides (Churchill aside), and in Davies' case he's hardly got a long career ahead of him.

I can't say I'm sorry to see him go, but frankly no-one will remember it this time next month. I asked a couple of Labour-supporting colleagues about Robert Jackson defecting, and they didn't realise that he had. Enough said.

Simon,

that is of course the difference between the thinkers and the sheep. On principle you should always vote for your local MP as an individual not as the member of a party. That is the way the system was set up and that is the only we we wil ever see the power of the parties reduced.

You do of course take into account which party your representative is affiliated to when making your decision but, particularly in this day and age when we have more and more issues which cross the party boundaries including the EU, Iraq and the way we treat our elderly, anyone who votes blindly for a party whilst ignoring the beliefs and principles of their local representative is doing neither themselves nor the country any good.

As an example, as a right of centre Libertarian I would never vote for Ken Clarke. I would howveer be happy to vote for Frank Field or Kate Hoey in spite of their membership of the Labour Party.

It is only by emphasising the letter of the law regarding individual representation that we will ever hope to see the power of the parties reduced and a return to a proper system of Parliamentary democracy.

This is no defence of what Davies has done. I am sure he will not survive the next election as a result and that will be a good thing. But the system is clear. You vote for a person not a party and that should be emphasised at all times.

Crap. If ever we needed more proof that we're the only people sinking faster than Nu Lab, this is it.

"How many people know Margaret Thatcher was born in Grantham? Not many."

Call yourself a Conservative!?!?!?!?!?!?

All very confusing.

I do not think it is about Europe- it is not an issue we argue about much anymore. It is certainly not about Iraq- most Labour people, in their hearts of hearts, want an enquiry too....and it is water under the bridge.

However, as for the Conservative Party standing for nothing....I unfortunately agree....I just hear a great deal of lefty trendy stuff from DC. There is no Party in Britain anymore fighting for lower taxes,self reliance, less government, less Big Brother, less nannying.Indeed, the Tory Party seems to be wanting the opposite which happens to be the Labour/LibDem agenda- they got there first- leave it to them-it is the road to ruin anyway.

Why on earth did this guy choose Labour though? A depressing crowd.

I sympathise, Richard, with your emphasis on the individual, but let us be realistic. The fine upstanding Field and the good Hoey are exceptions. Even I might be tempted to lend THEM my support. Most MPs, however, are little more than lobby-fodder. Any gleam of virtue which might have been seen on the hustings will generally have been snuffed out by the time its quondam owner shuffles humbly into the house. Such a man was Davies. He was not supported as a philosopher or an orator. He did not gain the confidence of his constituency with the unaided force of his charisma. He was a suit surmounted by a blue rosette and as such he was elected. True, this should not be the case, but your system will only work when parties have gone into decline and this will only happen when ideologies fade. Despite Fukuyama and Blair and the big tent, ideologies are not fading - far from it. For the foreseeable future then, we will have to vote for parties more often than not.

Davies should have resigned; I am sure that Gordon would be able to parachute him into a safe seat when an opportunity presented itself. Instead, he wants to have his cake and eat it: change his allegiance but retain his salary and fat expense account. Small wonder that politicians are held in such contempt by Joe Public.

Unfortunately for DC, Davies' comments will resonate with many lifelong Conservatives and who do indeed wonder what the present cabal of boy wonders believes in.

That being so, the majority in Davies's constituency is no longer properly represented and it is a scandal.

Quentin Davies has done once what Winston Churchill did twice

The majority in Grantham & stamford IS represented by the same MP that represented them yesterday.......the Majority of Voters however voted AGAINST the Conservatives in 2005 since Mr Davies only secured 46.9% votes cast

So parties should be careful about silly comments unless they want to use AV systems so majorities are represented

"Davies should have resigned"

No, he doesn't need to, just as we don't need an election when the PM changes. That isn't how our constitution works.

A few probably disconnected thoughts from a regular on here who is not extreme.

It is a shock, not so much the defection in itself but certainly the extraordinarily personal nature of the attack on David Cameron. He is a "senior MP" in the sense that he has been around for quite a time and was once in the Shadow Cabinet; but not because he had any political future. He has often been somewhat eccentric in his personal judgements - seemingly on the "left" of the Party but then backing a leader on the right, some said in return for a Shadow Cabinet seat. Now there is a leader more perceived as on the left, and he defects in vitriolic fashion. One cannot help feeling that there is quite a lot of jealousy involved here.

The timing is not coincidental. Yes, of course tomorrow the news will be Brown taking office, but today is the potentially "slack" news day in between. Watch out for the headlines from the Brown supporting press tomorrow. It must at least be a possibility that he has joined Labour to be given a Government post - remember he was once Shadow Northern Ireland: does the NI office, at least at Minister of State level, possibly beckon?

If the Tory Whips were doing their job, tomorrow would be the day for Frank Field to move the other way. If that happens, a very fair swop really.

As far as I know IDS planned to end the relationship with the EPP and would have done so in 2004 if he hadn't been ousted.

What a plonker.

He's clearly in it for the publicity, doing an interview for the BBC and sprinkling an open letter everywhere.

If he thinks he would fit in with New Labour, then he's not a conservative.

And if he was a man of integrity, he would have resigned from political life completely and kept his letter to Cameron private.

"Davies should have resigned"

So should the three councillors that have defected from the LDs to Cons since Davey C became leader then. They were warmly welcomed I seem to remember.

"If he thinks he would fit in with New Labour, then he's not a conservative."

No, No, if he thinks he would fit in with New Labour, he IS a Conservative. New Lab are more Tory than most of you and you know it. Thats why you picked that Weedy, Blair copy as your leader.

Voice of Sanity is a New Labour troll.

Vote Cameron or get Brown, is that too difficult for you cretins to understand?

"Voice of Sanity is a New Labour troll."

Paranoia and denial are very dangerous hobbys.

The point is, you still don't see a tory in large parts of urban Britain, and many, many people, including much of civil society think exactly the same as the "new labour troll" above does about David C.

Old Tories were nasty, selfish, right wing people, but they were honest about it. The horriffic thing about you lot now is that you are just as bad as ever but are trying, (in vain) to lie about it.

TomTom is being perverse - as usual. Normally he justifies his lucubrations with reams of futile quotation, so I am grateful that on this occasion he has chosen to be brief. He says that "the majority of voters in Grantham and Stamford IS represented by the same MP that represented them yesterday." The weasle word in this is "represented". How can that majority BE represented, TomTom, when it was a CONSERVATIVE majority? Because Davies polled only some 46% of the vote - only! - TomTom then goes on to suggest that he does not represent the majority anyway. A glaring self-contradiction, this, but never mind - we're used to TomTom's little ways. To clarify, a large number of people voted for other than Davies, but they couldn't make up their minds to vote for the same opponent. So we are left with the accepted understanding of the word "majority" which TomTom himself assumed in the first part of his remarks. And no, sir, it is not represented. And despite your archaic posturings in defence of a traitor, it remains a scandal. Savvy?

Lets hope he has the decency to stand in a by-election now he represents a different party to the one whose manifesto he stood on

I've just watched Davies's explanation on video on the BBC News website, and it seems a bit strange and fishy to me. He seems to be incredibly angry with Cameron for no particular reason.

I wonder whether there's been some kind of personal falling out between Cameron and Davies for a reason none of us is aware of.

Talking of New Labour trolls, there's plenty more on here other than Voice of Reason. Matt Davies for one.

Talking of defections: Frank Field, Kate Hoey, and A N Other to cross the floor within 12 months.

Talking of the economy: house price crash, rates at 6.5%, sterling meltdown, and inevitable recession within 18 months.

"Lets hope he has the decency to stand in a by-election now he represents a different party to the one whose manifesto he stood on"

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.story.page&obj_id=130453

Tory hypocrisy. No-one has been willing to answer my earlier point then.

It's a pity Brian Jenner's post didn't say "a moderate, pro-European Union centre party." Surely that's what he means. I'm pro-Europe (I went there last week and enjoyed every minute of it), but I'm anti-European Union - full stop.

"Lets hope he has the decency to stand in a by-election now he represents a different party to the one whose manifesto he stood on"

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=news.story.page&obj_id=130453

Tory hypocrisy. No-one has been willing to answer my earlier point then.

Lots of the usual attacks on a defector, but I would urge people to read his resignation letter, a pretty devastating attack on our current leadership, and to consider that if Cameron's move to the left does not even convince the left of the Tory Party then who does it convince?

In 2005 Quentin Davies was elected as CONSERVATIVE MP for Grantham and Stamford.

Given that the Labour Party were not just beaten but thrashed in Grantham and Stamford in 2005 I believe that Quentin Davies should resign the seat immediately and let the people decide.

He is an absolute disgrace who I have no respect for.

I am absolutely sure that the electorate of Grantham and Stamford feel the same.

Ah so you are a supporter of the "Nice" Labour Party are you, the one which has done more to undermine civil liberties than any other Government in the last hundred years?

Regardles of what people may think about Davies and Cameron the underlying point is that the tories are riven by the Europe issue. Blair managed to cleverly turn this into a non-issue, thus avoiding a similar rift in his party and the need to negotiate tricky waters himself. What have we done?

We are still treating Europe as a major issue and unfortunately DC's non-attendance at the key meeting underlines that, weakens his power base, and has alienated him from political support outside the UK. He has become marginalised.

I suspect that the underlying fear prompting Davies' actions is the desire to retain his seat in parliament. Clearly he has no faith in DC's ability to win the next election. Whether you agree with Davies' or not, this elephant is still in the room.

What would be better would be for us all to accept that we are now in Europe and to stay and to manage the experience as best we can; to put aside this agenda and bring Clark etc. back into the fold and unite. Unless we do, Brown will be laughing all the way to the bank. DC's current strategy is flawed through and through when it comes to Europe. That way lies disaster.

Don't we all just want to win the next election? It is difficult to see how Cameron can do that given his stance on Europe and also, the pervading Etonianism. Labour will roast us for our demonstrable lack of broad appeal. I think Cameron has been badly advised, as was Hague. I hope he realises that his PR team are not helping here.

I have to say that I'm starting to lose faith in the party and the large majority of people who are in it.
I believe in the values of the centre right but am starting to think that the party is incapable of representing them. So many people in this party it seems call themselves "Conservatives" not because they want to have a progressive centre right government pushing the country forward at home and abroad, but because they fear everything, they want the party to be a road block to protect them from change by stopping it, and in the case of the EU they don't just want to block it they want to get out! so we'd be marginalised sitting on the sidelines. Why we would want that is a mystery? From what I've learnt the EU has in fact been pretty good, but then I don't lap up everything that is said in the tabloid newspapers as fact.
Its hardly beneficial and the public will not vote for us if they see us as being stuck in past, It just seems that many are incapable of believing that change through constructive debate and reason is a worthy goal. And instead bitch and moan.
But then I'm a young, uni educated and in my 20s and it seems that my generations views are just going to have to wait, maybe its because we are already realising that the future is going to change massively with the rise of China/India and the shift in power that will happen. The world is going to change, and unless this party realises the potential this could offer the UK and exploits it the public won't risk voting for the Conservatives. And I don't blame them.

"Don't we all just want to win the next election? "

That's the problem. The electorate don't want a Party like that in Government. They want policies and direction.

I agree that this has little to do with Europe. The Europhiles in the Party are not as motivated about that as the antis. It would not be a reason to jump ship.

Quentin Davis has been a maverick for years. While the timing is a shock, as it always is in these cases, his voting record suggests it has been a long-time coming. With any luck, he will be as much of a thorn in Labout's side as he has been in ours over the years.

What a tragedy that Quentin Davies couldn't voice his differences within the party, constructively, however grave they may have been.
But defection!
The electorate may dismiss his Eurowaffle, but his comments on "belief and aim" will get a hearing.

"have ceased to believe in anything, or to stand for anything"

Our country is being systemically misgoverned. All I can say is someone who defects to Labour after ten years of failing policies and lies cannot himself claim to have a strong, principled set of beliefs.

Simon Denis | June 26, 2007 at 16:33
Can I remind you that Mr Davis stood on a Tory manifesto and was elected on that same TORY manifesto, which Mr Cameron was the author of.
How much of that manifesto is intact now?
This is what he is objecting to, he is a Tory through and through which is more than can be said for Mr Cameron who does not know what he is or what he stands for, he just wants to get to No 10.
I know what I call this, it is very recognisable to most honest people.

Quentin Davies is a proper Tory through and through - it's no surprise that he ended up ditching Cameron and his wishy-washy nonsense.

Our party looks like a joke tonight.

Quentin Davies seems more concerned with championing the federast EPP-ED and the "Chancelleries of Europe" than he is with representing his constituents, the majority of whom voted for a Conservative Member of Parliament.

I'm at a loss to understand how any Conservative can countenance ceding control of the United Kingdom to a foreign power. Not very ago, anyone advocating such would have been regarded as a traitor. It's no wonder that Blair abolished the death penalty for treason!

Word is that the guy was going to be de-selected. If true would prove useful damange-limitation.

Won't change much in the long-run - one less troublemaker for "Davo" to worry about. Even if you agree with his position, leaving your party is the ultimate crime as it looks like you're putting career first - people objecting out of principle step down.

Writing as Councillors for many years in Witney, Oxfordshire, which is of course David Cameron's constituency we have to say to Quentin Davies - remember Shaun Woodward - we do! and we remember what happened to him after his new Labour masters squeezed every bit of "useful" information out of him - he was thrown into the great abyss. WE are the winners by courtesy of Shaun's disloyalty - WE got David Cameron!

Writing as Councillors for many years in Witney, Oxfordshire, which is of course David Cameron's constituency we have to say to Quentin Davies - remember Shaun Woodward - we do! and we remember what happened to him after his new Labour masters squeezed every bit of "useful" information out of him - he was thrown into the great abyss. WE are the winners by courtesy of Shaun's disloyalty - WE got David Cameron!

To quote the Pharcyde:

"Quinton's on his way, Quinton's on his way, Quinton's on his way with another day and it's OK, everythings OK!"

I suggest we grow up about this. That this has happened now is no coincidence. Davies is one of those Tory MPs who stands only for himself. His resignation letter is rubbish, he complains he doesn't deal with people who break contracts even when no contract with the EPP was broken and it all happened a year ago. And then he joins Labour who have broaken more contracts than any government in history, e.g. a referendum on Europe! He knows that there are working parties coming up with details about policies - including tax on married couples. I could go on, the man is lying his head off and throwing words about like "shambles" suggests his letter was written by someone else. Above all he knows that the policies are just starting to come together so how can he say the party doesn't stand for anything.

We have been here before, havn't we, at a crunch time a Tory MP defects. This has obviously been set up by Labour and Brown to happen right now and expect Davies to be on a QUANGO soon. Frankly I am a bit disappointed about Cameron's reply, he could, and should, have demolished Davies's letter line by line. One of the advantages of Cameron is his ability to communicate to electors, something most Tory leaders have difficulty doing NOW IS THE TIME TO COMMUNICATE!

He's right about Cameron's foreign policy - in that he has none. Good for Quentin, I say.

Good to see the old bugger leaving at last. Everytime I read anything he said it always seemed to be in support of New Labour.

He won't notice much difference 'though, as he's just swapped Blu Labour for Nu Labour. Perhaps Cameron could follow after him ? Oh please, let it be true.

The reason Cameron did not provide a line by line rebuttal is that Davies speaks the truth. Cameron believes PR is a subsitute for policy and whenever anything approaching an expression of firm policy is aired - e.g. grammar schools - it descends into farce.

Bring on Liam Fox I say ! We need a leader who will provide both style and inspiration.

At present we only have style . Sadly it starting to wear out like a cheap coat of paint.

"Although you have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreliability and an apparent lack of any clear convictions, which in my view ought to exclude you from the position of national leadership to which you aspire and which it is the presumed purpose of the Conservative Party to achieve."

Ouch.

He's clearly something of a Heathite, so really he's no loss. But this will send a very negative message to people - 'Tory joins Brown over Cameron' only reinforces the weakness image; the public at large won't be interested what wing of the party he's on, all that'll matter is that he used to be a Conservative, and now Gordon Brown has won him over.

David Harvey and Chrissie Curry | June 26, 2007 at 18:56

Great, you keep Cameron it will be for this Parliament only as soon as he looses the next election he will be off to the back benches with his outside interests keeping him in the manner he thinks he is entitled to. You are welcome to him.
Shame you are going to spend the next decade talking to each other and still in the political wilderness.
He cannot even command the respect of old Tories let alone unite them, so how is he going to convince floating voters?
Charm or hug them I expect, perhaps could, but I doubt it, too many people see him for what he is !!

Many labour trolls and new names on this thread, anyone from the press reading this and claiming comments wrongly as being from the grassroots should prepare to be sued!

Europhilia is not a vote winner, he's better off out (as it were), I can imagine many labour MPs getting very itchy at the direction they are taking with defections like this!

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