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That's all very well, but it still doesn't address the issues that potential BNP voters are concerned with.

Though you could argue who cares if people vote BNP, since the BNP are taking votes form Labour not us, and surely splitting the opposition?


Some people might consider a reduction in house price inflation a good thing, particularly as the shortage of affordable housing for locals was a live issue in the Barking & Dagenham campaign, last year. It's really not a line of argument I'd advance, unless I could point to examples of house price collapse after BNP councillors were elected.

Good for the Holbeach Tories for not ignoring the BNP but I think they would have more success by attacking them on the basis of their policies rather than just on their sympathy for the Nazis.

Based on this leaflet - which is the 'Extremist' party here ?

Why no such vitriol about Sinn Fein which actually blows people up to 'share' power ?

Two separate stories from Leeds that show what is happening in the real world away from Westminster.
1) The Royal Armouries have had to pay compensation to the English Democrat Party for having cancelled a Conference they had booked. The Royal Armouries said:

“Yorkshire and the surrounding counties have many inhabitants from diverse ethnic backgrounds and origins, many being immigrants or second/third generation descendants of immigrants. It was anticipated that they may not have felt comfortable visiting the Museum during the conference…”

2) Labour Party officials in Leeds are being investigated for Postal Vote breaches which would have sought to capitalise on the influence exercised by Muslim leaders on the local vote.

What was Enoch Powell's warning about 'once immigrant communities get the whip hand' ?

This why the BNP are being listened to.

This has to be one of the worst election lines I've ever heard. It's sounds like a spoof front page from the Daily Mail. In fact, it'll probably be on their front page tomorrow...

BNP Councillors aren't much good for anything really, the only difference between them and a cardboard cutout is that at least cardboard cutouts generally don't cause the same local tensions and while they wouldn't get any more done at council meetings at least they wouldn't hold up proceedings by asking what was going on.

If there was a choice between a Respect candidate, a BNP candidate and a Liberal Democrat candidate and a cardboard cutout I think I would go for the cardboard cutout.

The line about John Tyndall doesn't really help seeing as he was expelled by Griffin and co for being too extrme.

More needs to be done to tackle the BNP's arguments.

Personally I would have focused on the fact that after the elections last year in Barking racist violence increased by 30% rather than the drop in house rise inflation.
The BNP should not be ignored.They should be opposed and fought all the way.
The opposition against racism is not a party political matter. All good people should come together, oppose it and show it for the evil it is.
If we don`t then we could easily see this evil grow and grow.

"Though you could argue who cares if people vote BNP, since the BNP are taking votes form Labour not us, and surely splitting the opposition?"


Personally I rather take pride in the innate decency of the British people, resulting in only a few % to the likes of the BNP (and in Scotland it was 0.07% last general election). If you look across Europe, the various supposedly post-fascist parties often get a substantial chunk more than that - Le Pen gets in the 10-15% range, the Mussolini successor party (used to be called Alianza Nacionale, can't remember what they are now) gets a similar amount and Fini was a senior minister under Berlusconi.

I was staggered last week to see BNP placards in the front garden of a house as I drove into a leafy village on the outskirts of one of our most famous cities.

This has to be one of the worst election lines I've ever heard. It's sounds like a spoof front page from the Daily Mail. In fact, it'll probably be on their front page tomorrow... - Powellite

If they want the front page in the Daily Express, they could do worse than accuse the BNP of murdering Diana, Princess of Wales. The sooner Rupert Murdoch completes his takeover of every British media outlet, the better...

Some perfectly decent people will vote BNP out of desperation, because they see no alternative defender of their interests, and in the absence of a BNP candidate they would probably not vote at all. Whose fault is that? By the same token, they would never vote for "Jack Stone", or come together with him for any purpose.

I'm really not sure that a smaller than average rise in area's house prices (but still a rise) can be attributed to the BNP being elected there. More likely the same factors that caused otherwise sensible people to vote for the BNP's vile agenda have also caused a slowdown in house price inflation.

The BNP need to be defeated by attacking what they say and what they do, unprovable scare stories such as this can turn out to be counterproductive and allow the fascist scum to present themselves as victims of meaningless spin which is not a good thing.

It is also not enough to just attack the BNP, to truly defeat them then the issues which they have played upon to such electoral effect must also be addressed. Fascism can only thrive if there is an area of political vacuum for it to operate within and right now all of us are allowing that vacuum to occur around the issues of immigration, housing and crime.

I just hope that the BNP sue all those prataganists who have peddled such filth. I am surprised the Tories haven't plumbed the depths of saying voting BNP can seriously damage your health or why not try scaring them with vote BNP and you will be blamed for global warming.

I am neither a Nazi nor a Fascist yet I support and will be gladly voting for the BNP tomorrow.

Considering the Tory party was in charge over the country when network rail was privatised and many economic crisis's. And have developed a love of money over a growth in community. The very hoodies Cameron wants to hug now. Was bred from the disperate people created under the education system of the milk snatcher.

Now you have new labour who has so much blood on their hands they would not go a miss in a slaughter house. Several wars later and millions of innocent people killed in the name of oil and arms sales. And a third world debt consolidation which simply means they do the same with third world debt as they do with council tax arrears of selling the debt to collection agencies and though the UK does not own the debt and thus the country no longer has a debt with us as a country they now owe twice as much to speculators which bought the debt.

Thats when we are not selling them out of date armourments or missile systems. Or letting people die in dafur with out even a wimper.

No your worry is the supposed threat from a group of people who look at the main three parties and see no difference but the colour of rosettes which you wear. You do nothing to make them feel safe, you do nothing to protect pensions or jobs and you do nothing to protect the country or its beliefs and cultures.

But allow the country to be swamped with immigrants from every part of the world which you have either gone to war with or joined up to a european union which no one but the gravy train passengers want.

People are opening their eyes and see the truth. You can call them names, you can make up stories, you can peddle your lies. But you will be found out for the incompitant cretins which you are.

Enjoy your last days at the feast because the British people are coming to reclaim their country.

Any fool can see that the BNP are benefitting from the refusal of the big 3 parties to talk about uncontrolled *immigration* from EU member states.

No-one votes BNP to look after their house prices for God's sake! They want sensible controlled immigration from all countries but in the vacuum the racists are talking about this major issue when the others are not.

So what do the Tories do? Ignore immigration entirely and seek to tackle the BNP threat (thanks to the immigration silence) on their effect on home prices.

It is embarrassing.

And if you want to drag up the past wasn't Enoch Powell a top Tory. Pity you couldn't heed his warnings.

If VOTE FREEDOM can post on this site, bragging about voting BNP, then I don't think I'll post (or indeed stop by to read) here again.

Disgraceful and disgusting.

Of course Don J simply gag anyone who doesn't agree sounds like a fascist state control option you want.

Yes, and flying the flag of St. George from one's house apparently has the same effect on the values of neighbouring properties. Does that mean I shouldn't fly my country's flag?

"In a democracy, it is alarming when prejudices become part of a political platform. We wish to express, in the strongest terms, our distaste for any political platform which has the effect of destabilising communities through the use of misinformation, scare stories and inflammatory rhetoric."

Suppressing debate on the effects of uncontrolled immigration from the Third World and Eastern Europe for the last 15-20 years by branding as "racist" (and therefore destroying) anyone who dares to question the ideology of multiculturalism and "diversity" has had precisely the effect "of destabilising communities through the use of misinformation, scare stories and inflammatory rhetoric".

Anyone who reads the BNP's website can see that the leadership of the BNP are demons masquerading as angels of light. But who else is speaking up for ordinary white, heterosexual, married men and women who do not spend their time fornicating or sodomizing their lives away while the muslim enclaves in our cities grow inexorably in size and influence by virtue of their vastly higher birthrate, and their understandable revulsion at the gross immorality and drunkenness of the native population?

All the "constitutional" parties, terrified of the outrage of al-Beeb, the race relations and "diversity" industry and their overpaid parasites in the legal "profession", still pander to the whims of certain vocal minorities, and wring their hands helplessly while this country disintegrates into a mass of competing interest groups with no ties of blood or common beliefs or values.

Precisely for whom should I vote? "None of the above"?

As Michael Howard once put it the BNP are "a bunch of thugs dressed up as a political party" they seek to turn neighbour against neighbour and community against community by preaching their vile message of hate.

The evidence seems to be in areas that have shamefully elected BNP councillors is that they don't do any work and totally fail to tackle any of the problems local people face.

surely reducing houce prices is a good thing, enabling young people to afford homes and to start a family, and enabling others to afford to move to larger properties. Seems like a good reason to vote BNP.

Well tomorrow is local election day and the conservatives have decided not to inform why it may be a good idea to vote for them but instead to tell us if we vote for the BNP our houses will depreciate.
I watched both the labour and conservative party election broadcasts and was staggered to see neither of them gave any indication of any policies. Instead they both showed the political elite (ie cameron, bliar and brown) taking time out to talk and listen to the peasants.
Well I've got news for them, everyone I speak to and myself don't want spin and hype anymore. We want proper policies to make Britain Great again. And its not just words we want, we want action!

This is very embarassing...

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6261&edition=1&ttl=20070502224543&#paginator

I think that the more likely reason that house prices increased slower in Barking isn't because of the BNP councillors, but because of the reasons that caused them to be elected in the first place..

Reasons that have been ignored by the Conservatives just as much as Labour.

For the first time I'm thinking of voting for them too.

Tim, if you click on VOTE FREEDOM, did you realise you get straight onto the BNP website? What is going on here? I unclicked pretty fast, I can tell you!!

David Cameron is the biggest vote winner for the BNP because he never faces up to the problems caused by excessive immigration.

Tim, if you click on VOTE FREEDOM, did you realise you get straight onto the BNP website? What is going on here? I unclicked pretty fast, I can tell you!!
Annabel Herriott

Don't be so hasty Annabel, read it you might actually find yourself "secretly" agreeing with a lot of it.

As a disillusioned tory 3 years ago I did and joined 6 months later. My attitudes towards individuals hasn't changed one iota but my eyes were opened to the threats that this country faces, threats that the MSM and the tri-axis of evil are either too scared to discuss or actually condone. The BNP do not wish to commit any kind of genocide but your continued failure to address the consequences of unbridled immigration and over taxation of the population could lead to exactly that.

Le Pen gets in the 10-15% range
This time around in the French Presidential Election he got 7% of the vote and came fourth.

Considering the Tory party was in charge over the country when network rail was privatised
I assume you mean the breakup of British Rail following by the issuing of franchises to TOC's and the formation and subsequent privatisation of Railtrack as Network Rail was the company formed in 2001 to takeover the railway infrastructure from Railtrack.

And a third world debt consolidation which simply means they do the same with third world debt as they do with council tax arrears of selling the debt to collection agencies and though the UK does not own the debt and thus the country no longer has a debt with us as a country they now owe twice as much to speculators which bought the debt.
Actually a lot has been done in the last 10 years to boost International Development aid and to avoid getting third world countries into debt, but if a country borrows money or is late in paying for something sold to them then they still have an obligation to repay it, otherwise it is not a loan in the first place.

Several wars later and millions of innocent people killed in the name of oil and arms sales.
These were wars against regimes that were far from innocent, Iraq was developing new banned missiles, it had ambitions to return to nuclear weapons development and it had a record under the Ba'athists of attacking neighbouring countries in bids to seize territory, Afghanistan contained training camps training international terrorists and was harbouring Al-Qaeda who launched a number of terrorist attacks worldwide; the Iraqi Ba'athists, the Bosnian Serbs and Serbia were all involved in genocide. And British companies had been banned from selling any of these people armaments for a very long time - arms exports have been a major British industry for decades, but in fact France had far more involvement with arming the Iraqi Ba'athist regime than any other country.

Or letting people die in dafur with out even a wimper.
And apart from the fact that the Local elections have absolutely nothing to do with Darfur, BNP policy is a complete withdrawal from international military involvement meaning that whatever is being doing that the BNP if they were in position are saying that they would do far less.

"Aren't good for house prices"?

Are you off your box again?

How can that possibly be interpreted by other younger people, like me, who cannot get a mortgage, let alone a step on to the property ladder, other than as a positive thing?

Way to encourage the BNP vote, ConHome!

Check out the leaflet - Holbech ANON ie made up? war veteran says I'd as soon as vote for Hitler...

Meanwhile a D day veteran in his eighties called George Johnston is standing as a BNP CANDIDATE on Tyneside as he is certain the lads he saw killed on the beaches of Normandy would be disgusted if they could see the UK today......

Is this one of the 'Nazis' your telling voters about?

As for bad for house prices.... and I thought people voted for what was good for the country not bloomin house prices...TYPICAL TORY GREED!!!!!!!!!!

Well it certainly didn't take long for this thread to degenerate sadly.

Matt Davis.

It didn't degenerate it was actually uplifted when the ordinary people of this country responded to the extreme views of the scare mongering Tory party, and you simply don't like it.

P.S. Annabel

Untwist your knickers love, it is not the BNP official site it is my own board which includes election results and news.

If anyone chooses to vote BNP well it is a matter between them and their conscience. Personally I abhor racism and am thankful that the majority of people wouuld not support these neo-nazi extremists.

Vote freedom is a rather ironic name given that a previous generation of our countrymen gave their lives to defend freedom of milions from people who thought like you.

The people who fought for this country was like George Johnston, who says "If his fallen comrades could see what has happened to this country now. They would be disgusted and would also be voting BNP."

To Graham D'Amiral.
A previous generation gave their lives to stop the country getting invaded and that has now happened with the help of Bliar.
They gave their lives to stop the spread of a dangerous group of people who wanted to destroy our lifestyle and similar peole now live amongst us thanks to Bliar.
Sometimes you have to make uncomfortable decisions for the better good. Now is one such time.

that compares the fight against the BNP today with that against Hitler in the 1940s.

I am so bored with Adolf Hitler and the trite way he is trotted out as an icon like Mickey Mouse or Popeye. What about Napoleon, he was a major threat and Pitt banned trades unions and made Freemasons register with the Magistrates - now why don't we have Freemasons register their names and addresses with Magistrates again ?

We live in 2007 not 1941....what about facing up to the Japanese rather than Hitler ? Or are the Tories really frightened that the voters we were told they did not want anyway, might go elsewhere ?

Hitler is an historical figure like Stalin and Horthy and Chiang Kai-Shek - he is not standing for election....though I fear that if he could he might well put up a good showing in many EU countries.

Can we focus on the present rather than silly innunendo about an Austrian-born politician who died 62 years ago this month

It has always fallen to the Conservatives, the grand old party, the builders, the inspirers, the creators, the leaders, of British politics, to truly give modern Britain direction, and also provided its greatest modern national leader during WW2 to do just that.

So good for the Holbeach Tories and more strength to them. Tough but fair politics within the rules, against a truly awful, incompetent, rotten party.

Frankly, BNP voters should be continually made to feel deeply, deeply ashamed about expressing themselves by stooping to vote for a party like that. The sheer awfulness of the BNP should be held up like a mirror to them.

If a potential BNP voter feels 'they have no other choice' to express their grievances, then their lack of personal responsibility for their own actions, by voting for that rabble, means they are as vapid and lacking backbone and a sense of responsibility, as the 'modern' society that they supposedly revile. There is always a personal choice. And the right one is never, never, EVER, to vote for the BNP.

Go the Blues. Stuff the rest.

A.Drake

Let's not forget it is the Tory party the great destroyers of the British nation through privatisation and destruction of the society with the promotion of greed over community.

You had one great leader who did try to warn you which was Enoch Powell you didn't heed his warning.

Winston Churchill was wiped out at the first general election after the war. That was his thanks for what he did.

People want social inclusion they want a nation state which looks after its own. It is just that none of the main three parties care about these ideals. you have the tory party which follows greed, you have the labour party which follows multi culturalism and the break up of the UK and you have the lib dums who can just about follow their noses.

The Conservative party are going to find out that there is a whole generation for which hyperinflation in the housing market, competition for rents from millions of incomers and out and out white flight from high immigration areas are serious issues - the latter being a major factor in delining house price areas.

Notch another one up for UKIP, or for anything other than the three main parties for that matter.

Speak for yourself Vote Freedom. I don't do cloth-cap class-based preciousness or self-appointed victim status, and neither do the great majority of commonsense Britons.

You want a quid? Go earn it. You lot have all of Labour's worst "free lunch" instincts, and amazingly, in an even MORE offensive package. What a joke.

Stick with the best. Vote Dave and Team Blue.

and also provided its greatest modern national leader during WW2 to do just that.

If you mean Churchill he was despised by the Conservative Party. When Chamberlain stood aside as Prime Minister (but not as Conservative Leader) it was Lord Halifax they proposed as Prime Minister until Labour refused to serve under him.

Churchill did not become Conservative Leader until Chamberlain died in November 1940 - he did however provide the support for Churchill in Cabinet that the Conservative Party did not....indeed RAB Butler at the FO was negotiating with Dahlerus (Goering's envoy) terms of peace with Germany behind Churchill's back in May 1940 and proposing removal of Churchill as PM

Lest we forget...

A.Drake

I do like your caring conservative side, if you look at many BNP responses and thoughts they above all else supports the hard working men and women of this country. And actually stand stead fastly against the free loaders.

What they do want is a country which looks after its own and upholds the culture and beliefs within it, and not allow them to be diluted for the love of money or self promotion.

Most people find their pensions robbed by labour but the tories not saying they will reinstate what brown took away.

You have jobs leaving the UK and going to eastern europe and the asia yet you have no credible response from the main three parties.

Then to cap it off, if you havent been ripped of through pensions or had your job outsourced you see the country flooded with immigrants from countries we have either gone to war with or have included into a european union which does nothing but destroy the UK.

This influx of people lowers wages, raises house prices due to supply and demand and puts a huge strain on a already mis managed health and education service.

None of these things have any parties tackled. What you have done is put a scare story out about lowering house prices which is more due to the run down nature of the area. and then calling folks names instead of telling people your stance.

The first PPB said it all there you have DC pleading with white van man to vote for anyone but the BNP, when he should have been able to stand loud and proud on why he should be able to vote Tory. The reason was is because he couldn't.

Vale,

How about a fair comparison of the arrested and convicted labour/lib dem and tory councillors.

I think there has been many arrested already this election for vote rigging and fraud.

A fair comparison of the arrested and convicted labour/lib dem and tory councillors can be found here

Forgive me for bringing in a point of logic into the debate, but a temporal connection between events does not establish a causal connection. There is no way to prove that the 2006 election of BNP councillors in Barking and Dagenham (“B&D”) caused house prices to stagnate.

Unpacking things a bit further, I suspect that a high proportion of BNP voters in B&D were council tenants (or on the waiting list). They would not be too upset about stagnating house prices, possibly the reverse. The same would presumably be true in places like Broxbourne and Thurrock. Conversely the sort of people in Essex who will be concerned about house prices are not prime BNP voting material. The Conservative leaflets will be preaching to the converted I suspect. No harm in that, if it gets the Conservative vote out.

As for the Holbeach leaflet, it could be counterproductive. One national characteristic is our independence of mind (aka bloody mindedness). A lot of people don’t like being lectured, patronised and told what they must and mustn’t do. The constituents will know (of) the councillor concerned. If they can’t see him strutting around in jackboots then they might find the leaflet unfair. He might even win some sympathy votes.

The BNP don't want "fair and controlled" immigration from anywhere. They want to pay to "encourage" anyone who isn't an "assimilable Western European" to "go home". I did ask the local BNP representative what offer they were willing to make but they didn't have an answer. If they can't actually even begin to answer that fundamental question at the heart of their policy any vote for them is a vote wasted.

They want to pay to "encourage" anyone who isn't an "assimilable Western European" to "go home".

but isn't that simply a statement of fact under Section 29 of The Immigration Act 1971 ?

Dave, did you say "a fair comparison"? LOL! With so few BNP councillors, a fair comparison would look at percentages rather than instances. Why don't you tell us the percentage of BNP councillors that have been arrested of convicted? Then, for a fair comparison, tell us the same statistic for the other parties.

I'm unclear as to the purpose of the BNP or BNP supporters adding to this thread which is a serious forum. Posts such as the above from Vote Freedom stating 'Enjoy your last days at the feast because the British people are coming to reclaim their country' are bemusing. What are the British people supposed to be reclaiming and from who? The BNP can post endlessly today and ruin what are serious threads. However, whilst they are doing this, the British public will go out and vote for the serious parties as they have always done in the past.

M.Hewlett

How can such a blatantly insulting remarks be made by the Tory supporters and then not expect a response from BNP supporters.

I think Paul Waugh misses the point, ALL government is bad for property prices.
It is only because NuLab is totally bereft of ideas and disorganised, that we have not had large numbers of affordable and social housing built, which has fuelled the inflationary spiral on the existing stock.
As for the fueding between parties, the spin and propaganda, we are all fed up with it. People are a lot brighter than politicians would believe, notwithstanding the failed education process, and able to discern the actual from the puffery and to recognise what is in our favour.
The problem as I see it, is that the ballot paper has no box for...NONE OF THE ABOVE... which would obviate the need for a protest vote to some extremist or wastrel party that has no chance of being elected.
It has been said many times on these pages, that it is time for party's to offer choice and to connect with the real world. To actually promulgate policy and not treat the people with a cavalier attitude bordering on contempt...oh yes, no more sleaze and feathering nests at taxpayers expense.

What a bizarre series of arguments from the Broxbourne bunch. One common argument against mass immigration is that it has massively increased the demand for housing, pushing property prices into the stratosphere and pricing an entire generation out of home ownership.

And now the Tories are saying this is a GOOD thing, and therefore a reason NOT to vote for the BNP? Crackers.

The Editor of this increasingly discredited site really should do something about the disgusting racists comments that are regularly being posted here.This site as degenerated into a voicepiece for the BNP and its really about time you did something to stop it!

"This time around in the French Presidential Election he got 7% of the vote and came fourth."


Hrrrm, it was 10.5% when I looked with only a small fraction left of the votes to count, so 7% definitely isn't possible.

JackStone: censorship will just further provoke their victim mentality, which is something they profit from quite well. The easier way is just to quote various of Tyndall's quotes at them (eg "Hitler was right").

and Tyndall is no longer a part of the BNP the same way Norman Tebbit is of the Tories then again davey boy did have to have a dinner with him for approval to be leader.

The Editor of this increasingly discredited site

only when Jack Stone posts does it lurch into discredit

and Tyndall is no longer a part of the BNP the same way Norman Tebbit is of the Tories
No, John Tyndall is no longer part of the BNP because he has been dead for nearly 2 years - at the time of his death he was a BNP member even though he had fallen out with Nick Griffin.

Somewhat belatedly, I've found this article by Martin Samuels in the Times. I'm not sure which Essex constituency he's describing, but it's alarming that a man with a track record of anti-racism says he understands why some people locally might vote for the far right.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/martin_samuel/article1739068.ece

"Local Conservatives had ignored the BNP up until now and had focused on positive reasons to vote Conservative. "

I don't see anything negative about pointing out that house prices go up when Conservative councillors get elected, replacing those of another party - it certainly happened in my home ward of Tooting!

I wouldn't be surprised if prices tended to stagnate or go down when Lib Dems, Labour or BNP are elected, given what it says about the area, but the more important point is that a Conservative vote is a vote of confidence in an area's upward mobility, especially by home owners.

-Simon Newman

And after the disgusting leaflet was dropped the BNP still came within 200 votes of taking a seat (and had nearly 2000 votes altogether) and surpassed the indepenents. The usual "nazi" jibes etc were hurled but a lot of people saw through the smokescreen which, as pointed out in earlier comments, did nothing to address the BNP policies.

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