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I'm not at all surprised to hear that Camerons control freaks are hoping to silence CH.

I hope this site will continue to express the views of the silent majority of the Conservative Party against the crowd who are ruining our party.

I think this site should stand at the election as THE conservative party. If the millions of people in the country who do not vote were able to read the views expressed on this site instead of the bollox spoken by politians of all parties it would attract millions of RETURNING voters.

If the leadership of the Conservative Party decide to adopt policies that are not consistent with the views of the Conservative Party then surely it is a problem they need to deal with. Not something for the contributors to this site to worry about.

I couldnt not care less that we are 12% ahead in the polls, I couldnt care less that the Murdoch press attack stupid policies and most of all I couldnt care less about what DC thinks about comments on this site. They are utterly irrelvent to anyone who wants to heal the damage done by NuLabour.

Policies followed in the last 10 years, maybe 15 in some cases, have failed so completely as to question the sanity of those suggesting bigger government, higher government spending, a broader welfare net and "rights' for everyone. They are the reason we are in this mess.

When a conservative leader supports an elected HOL, will NOT guarantee UK sovereignty, supports one minority over another for no logical reason, supports our soldiers dying for no reason, supports 7bn of Olympic fraud and cannot even be truthful about smoking a joint when at college(hint: I would think 70% of voters have had a joint or seen one smoked at some point in their lives) then it is not this website people should be concerned with.

I am so bored with twats trying to get elected and in doing so trying to tell honest people what to think, f**k off the lot of you.

The current political climate is poisoned and will not last, surely that much is obvious.

Richard Tyndall you are correct

Steve Plampin

Of course the Leaders find this Conservative Home an embarrassment because we point out some awkward truths.

In 2001 we obtained our first Democratically Elected Leader with 100% Grass Root support.

If the schoolgirls who brought IDS down had stuck behind him the fiasco of the Davis/Howard election would not have occurred. I quote this from uk.politics.electoral:-

"This was the result of the first round in which IDS became leader in July 2001.

Michael Portillo - 50 votes
Iain Duncan Smith - 42 votes
Ken Clarke - 39 votes
David Davis - 18 votes
Michael Ancram - 17 votes

As the system unfolded there was s straight fight between Clarke and IDS. What cold be fairer?

There was little sign in the first three months that the Tories were regretting their choice. The country was transfixed by the events of September 11. IDS had met Donald Rumsfeld and made all the right noises about terrorism. He had also quickly soothed the party's fears over Europe and was being invited to everyone's Christmas parties.

For some reason rightly or wrongly, IDS ditched David Davis. "They grew to hate each other. It was very childish - they wouldn't even drink outof the same coffee pot," said Dominic Cummings, who worked for IDS at the time.

It is this feud led to the fall in the Party's fortunes.

IDS was being stabbed in the back from two sides:-

- the pro Europeans led by Clarke - which reminds me of the Thatcher v Heath era,

- and David Davis and his acolytes
"His character is bound up in his father: the great war hero who thought all politicians were spineless. He just wanted to prove that he could be an upright politician who could make the difference. If only he could have pulled it off." Quote-Balancing act tripped up the Quiet Man - By Alice Thomson in the Daily Telegraph (Filed: 30/10/2003).

The IDS vote of confidence was a close run thing.

He polled a respectable 75 votes of the 83 required - effectively brought down by 4 people!

The system had worked. It was brought down by two schoolgirls. Grimshaw"

This is a surprising story. Either the source was very junior and/or very drunk, or Mr Coates of the Times is mischievous, mad, mis-informed, mendacious or some combination of the above.

Some threads do descend pretty rapidly into rants and abuse, which is always disappointing. That reflects on the usually anonymous contributors rather than Tim or Sam.

I too miss James Hellyer.

I wonder why Mr Hellyer has left

Could it be because of the socialist rubbish posted by Cameron supporters like Jack Stone?

"It is a shame you had to spoil it and IMO prove my point at 1448."

Sorry, your point at 14:23 was a gratuitous smeer that Cameron's supporters are seeking to shut-down debate. It was a point without substance or reason. How does that prove your point?

Res ipsa loquitur, sed quid in infernos dicet?

Unoriginal I know, but in context at least.

Tory Boy, at 11.14. I'm so glad you noticed how very very excellent our Jason McCartney is. You will be noticing him a lot more in the future, when he wins Colne valley back.
I agree with you Graeme in trying to limit the Trolls by some sort of registration. They are extremely irritating, have absolutely no sense of humour, and add nothing to the argument in hand.
I was fun meeting you on the friday canvas. May I recommend a Damart vest the next time we set out in a howling gale, with a marker who is detirmined that we shall fulfil the quota of canvassing! Only kidding Caroline.

Absolutely no surprise that Cameron's mafia is intent on waging war against CH. These people have already shown that they are absolutly determined to silence any dissenting voices within Bluelabour.

They have, of course, infiltrated CH with an army of their own clones and associated sockpuppets. I suppose they find it frustrating that these sycophants are always soundly thrashed when they attempt to debate with Thatcherites, Patriots and Conservatives.

If this is how the tyrants behave when they are (allegedly) 10-15% ahead in the polls, God knows what they will be like when the fickle public tires of Cameron/Sarkozy/Elvis or whoever Dave the Hairdo thinks he is this morning.

My warning to Tim and Co, borne of 30+ years of experience, is that the head hacks can turn very nasty when cornered. Stand your ground and fight them. Never give in.

I never did and I could tell you a few stories to prove it.

Con Home has to stay in being. Where else could you put something like the below in front of members of a Conservative Party which does not want its members to know and understand the implications of its insane policy of staying in the EU. If you vote Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative in the next election the cost of being in the EU will be ANOTHER £2000 billion from now by the end of the next term of parliament. That does not include the cost of re-arming the RN with nuclear armed submarines (which i am totally in favour subject to them being under BRITISH control.

Subject: Fw: Trident Missile Replacement


On 25th March Traitor Tony Blair is signing up for the distinct possibility of our nuclear powered and nuclear armed submarine fleet with replacement missiles, paid for by the British taxpayer, being under the control of a communist Bulgarian Admiral, with an UNELECTED communist Romanian Foreign Minister and an UNELECTED communist Latvian President being in control of foreign policy. Aided, abetted and fully supported by Toyboy Tory Leader David Cameron and Ming Campbell of the Lib Dim's. Please sign the petition now. It wont change anything as Traitor Blair is not about to lose face in Europe as he wants to be UNELECTED EU President (so he and his wife can take precedence over Her Majesty the Queen and they and all their family can be immune from prosecution for life) but it may make some of the other parties politicians think for a change.

Apologies if you’ve already received this, but this is very important!

On MARCH 25th in Berlin, Blair will sign a 50 page `Declaration on the Future of Europe' without consulting the UK people. A binding treaty that embodies "basic laws" for 490 million people in 27 countries based on a despised constitution, rejected by voters across Europe. Nine countries with over 150 million people turned it down or, decided not to put it to the vote. Blair alone has decided the UK will not vote. If you don't want to be controlled by a European Federation, we must demand a national referendum NOW. It will create:

• A PERMANENT, unelected, EU president. A sole voice for Europe serving a 5 year term.

• FULL-TIME foreign and defence ministers for Europe meaning powers like China and America will by-pass Britain to speak directly to them.

• A REFORMED European parliament drawing up its own laws. Britain couldn't veto its decisions and each member states government loses the right to "opt out" of EU laws & treaties.

ACT NOW or be slaves to the EU forever.

Sign up here: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ReferendumNOW/

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Please forward onto as many friends and family as possible.

Thank you for your support.

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To: [email protected]

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 11:53 PM

Subject: [Eurocritical] New EU petition at No 10

After 16 days of being ignored, delayed, blocked and 2 rants later, my EU Referendum petition has finally gone live on the PM's site.

Please consider signing, as we now have just 9 days until Blair signs us over to a federalised EU.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ReferendumNOW

Email this to everyone: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ReferendumNOW/

We only need 200 signatories to guarantee Blair's forced public response.

Please spread the word regardless of your particular stance . Many people don’t know what's entailed by this and a referendum is the only fair way to get the pro's n CON's of this issue, debated in the public eye.

Regards

Rufus Middleton

The Peoples United Collective

Details:

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to hold a referendum to consult the nations opinion on your proposed signing of the 'Declaration on the Future of Europe' which will sign Britain over to a Federal Europe and strip British people of their rights FOREVER."

On MARCH 25th in Berlin, Mr Blair will sign a 50 page `Declaration on the Future of Europe' without consulting the UK people. A binding treaty that embodies "basic laws" for 490 million people in 27 countries based on a despised constitution, rejected by voters across Europe. Nine countries with over 150 million people turned it down or, decided not to put it to the vote. Blair alone has decided the UK will not vote. If you don't want to be controlled by a European Federation, we must demand a national referendum NOW. It will create:

• A PERMANENT, unelected, EU president. A sole voice for Europe serving a 5 year term.

• FULL-TIME foreign and defence ministers for Europe meaning powers like China and America will by-pass Britain to speak directly to them.

• A REFORMED European parliament drawing up its own laws. Britain couldn't veto its decisions and each member states government loses the right to "opt out" of EU laws & treaties.

ACT NOW or be slaves to the EU forever

"THE REAL FACE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION"

Jerry: if you think I'm signing anything being pushed out by a body called "The People's United Collective" you can take a walk across an Amsterdam canal...

Do we have to suffer these very long anti-EU rants of the type posted above by Jerry? I'm as Eurosceptic as the rest of them but long, boring rambles that seem to be the trademark of Ukippers don't do this site justice and are entirely unecessary. It's like a blog written by some by some mad Stalinist committee. Please leave it aht.

What we need are pithy answers to questions such as, "How do we stop the Cameroons being so left-wing?"

Dissent is good, as it shows that the party is robust enough to accept other views and adult enough to regard other opinion as valid.
It is only in dictatorships that you get total agreement and uniformity.

Matt, I stand by all my comments. I once stood as an Area Officer about four years ago but Peter Golds stitched up the meeting to ensure that I didn't win (despite being the best candidate). The first I knew about your own appointment was through this very site! I note that you do not dispute how dreadful the Area is at keeping in touch with local Associations and that you do not pretend to have visited Haringey's two Assns. in over two years, including AGMs.

Most people from the Area come from one particular borough and use their positions not to promote the Conservative Party, but to feed their own egos and ambitions. In short, they use it as a 'stepping stone' for other ends.

I do not remember crying on anyone's shoulder - do you have the right person?

If I were Francis Maude, I'd smash up the little cliquey Area Committee (we have three in London) and reintroduce the London Region - which worked well and was ably-led by Doreen Miller until the Hague 'reforms' abolished it.

the pro Europeans led by Clarke - which reminds me of the Thatcher v Heath era
And of course it was Europhiles who brought Mrs Thatcher down.

Most people from the Area come from one particular borough and use their positions not to promote the Conservative Party, but to feed their own egos and ambitions. In short, they use it as a 'stepping stone' for other ends.

Correct. My experience is that people become officers in their associations a) to look good and to be able to show off to their friends at the golf/rotary/lions club b) so that this can lead to their becoming local councillors and thus earn hefty expense packages (on the basis that 5 grand expenses is a big bonus to someone who probably struggles to earn 12 k a year which is a typical wage such is the low calibre of most association officers)

oh yes, nearly forgot. Another reason people become Conservative assocation/area officers is so that they can use this to prove their dedication to the party they try to get on the candidates list.

Being a good association officer is very demanding of time and a real commitment. More often than not no-one wants to do it. When people are asked the room empties like lightning. Clearly Mr Dog Biter, you are an outstanding peson to do such a job...you have all the answers...why don't you put your name forward....

Matt

Been there, done that....and certainly don't want to do it again.

"Most people from the Area come from one particular borough" For that to be true, Justin, four out of seven would have to be from the same borough whereas five boroughs are represented on your Area Cttee with no more than two members from any of them.

As one of Mr Hinchcliffe's Area Officers, I would point out that he has seen me twice in the last few days in his GLA constituency, chairing the selection meetings, and will see me again shortly at the final.

I take the gravest possible exception to his libellous comments about our Chairman and my fellow officers, who work without the benefit of an agent for the Party, who also hold other Party officerships (for which they also work damn hard), who are in two cases excellent Councillors, and who (apart from myself) all have demanding day jobs.

I have given a huge amount to the Party in the last 16 years, both in terms of time, money and severe physical wear and tear. I have no personal political ambitions, and I do not play golf - all I have wanted to do is promote Conservatism, and I have been privileged to work at Area level with a like-minded group of people.

Now I know who you are, SJM. Prior to the meeting on the 13th, I had never heard of you. Now you know who I am and what I do, I am sure that you and your colleagues will do your very best to keep in touch with us in Haringey. It was nice to meet you, and I look forward to doing so again on April 10.

How many people, PTC, are represnted from Haringey or Enfield?

To whom it may concern: I am happy to withdraw the word "rigged" from a post, above. All other comments stand.

Now let's see, Justin...

You get very uptight about the scandalous use of the word "Camerloon" but you demand the right to libel your fellow Tory Officers as it suits you (apparently sans the word "rigged").

I suppose there's a kind of cosmic balance there somewhere.

Far too complicated to explain to you, AF.

No doubt, Justin.

The question is, do you understand it yourself?

Now why don't you calm down and do a spot of fishing in the Thames?

I think for people who used to have faith in the Conservative Party Conservative Home has had the guts to carry opinion that flies in the face of current Conservative thinking. The English Question is still being ignored by the Conservatives and this is the single most important political imponderable which could derail the fortunes of all parties. The Conservatives refuse to speak about it (like they do on Europe) despite the fact 68% of people want an English Parliament. Conservatives complain that other voices other than mainstream Conservatism are carried on Conservative Home, but I think that is a good thing. What is the point of democratic debate if it is simply stifled by the Conservatives. Far better for a site like Conservative Home to challenge and provoke debate then allow another lot of "yes" men follow the Labour lot into Parliament. The Conservatives need to learn how to debate and justify their policies - certainly we in the English Democrats can see alot wrong with the way all parties are treating England. As we are 85% of the UK electorate it makes sense that Conservatives listen to what the English have to say - an all power to Conservative Home's sensible approach to debate - let people people speak - maybe the Conservatives can learn something! Well done Tim and co.

Personally, Christine, I think the party hierarchy are very frustrated and worried about CH.

It's a sophisticated and attractive site which has become the unchallengable market leader, and the lounge lizards of Club Cameron would dearly have liked such a site to be in their own slick image.

Too late! Unfortunately for them, the site is run by decent Christian Conservatives who uphold the wholesome caring Toryism of IDS, as opposed to the Flash-Harry opportunism of the current regime.

Add to that a large group of Conservative Patriots well versed in taking the cocky Camerloons down a peg or two, plus regular press interest, and you have a heady cocktail which is a mite too strong for the CCHQ control freaks.

Justin,

No-one from Enfield or Haringey volunteered to serve on your Area team for 2006/07 so the answer can only be "none".

Perhaps it's because we've little in common with East London - hence the need to do away with this ridiculous Area system, and either have more - e.g. London North - or return to the London Region which worked reasonably well.

I agree, Alex. Conservative Home can proudly call itself the home of revolutionary Conservativism. i.e. not another mouthpiece of Blairism, which is what the currenty Tory party seems to be. This past couple of days proves what a dire state the Conservatives are in. All the Camerwhatsits have done is nit-pick a budget, which is not so different to the sort of budget that they would have if they in were power. i.e. fairly bland, a penny here, tuppeny there. i.e. more of the same but a little bit different. Mere tweaking.

We had the Thatcher revolution, so where is the Cameron revolution? Where is, for example, the flat tax that Osborne was said to have worked hard on? Where is the ideology, the philosophy that lower taxes equals a strong economy?

The answer is that it is all forgotten and all that is remembered is an obsessional desire to get into office regardless of the consequences. And once they are there they will continue to play it safe and all we will see in budgets in the future is a little bit of tweaking here and there...

Pessimistic maybe. But am I being realistic?

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