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I don't know that I'd recommend Mr Brooks as an advisor for David Cameron, but he's a regular 'talking head' on an american equivalent of "The Week in Westminster", PBS Newshour's Weekly Political Wrap, that I'd recommend to anyone :-)

Anyone needing a guru is not a leader.

Ken Stevens

(Still keeping an eye on this site, fruitlessly looking for a reason to return to voting Tory.

Cameron: "Tories halfway to victory"
Billy Fury [which dates me somewhat!]:
"Don't leave me halfway to paradise, so near yet so far away"

So who do I vote for?
Labour: On yer bike!
Tory: .. and the difference is what, precisely?
Lib/Dem: an irrelevance
UKIP: pressing the self-destruct button?
English Democrats: I joined, though of course not in any expectation that they could aspire to power in my lifetime.

Shall therefore spoil ballot paper or vote for someone loony, as a futile gesture, thereby doubling his/her vote.)

Get real! Cameron's gurus are Michael Heseltine, Chris Patten and John Gummer. The wets in the Tory Reform Group and Bow Group dominate shortlists for the best seats.


The wets in the Tory Reform Group and Bow Group dominate shortlists for the best seats.

Everytime someone starts talking about Tory Wets on here I have to check my calendar again and make sure I'm still in the right century. Somebody will start braying "sound, sound" in the back row next!...

Still keeping an eye on this site, fruitlessly looking for a reason to return to voting Tory.

I'm sorry that you haven't seen that reason so far, Ken. The difference is (just off the top of my head) a commitment to reform public services and make them accountable through a genuine localism, a belief that people-sized institutions serve you better than a monolithic state, and that the proceeds of economic growth should be shared over time so that you keep more of your hard-earned money.

That's just a few things that come to mind - if it's not enough, I hope we can offer you more, but I'd fill up the thread if I kept going!

I've asked you for evidence of this assertion before 'thatcherite' and you gave us one name .Can you do any better now and list all the wets that Cameron has thrust on poor unwilling constituency associations?

@Richard Carey
A commitment to reform public services - How?
Genuine localism - Which?
A belief in genuine localism - Made incarnate in what?
Proceeds of economic growth shared - The more we share the more we keep, very Orwellian.

This isn't a list of reasons to vote Conservative, it is mood music. Tony Blair and even Ming could drop these into any speech they made.

Richard Carey
Many thanks for response. You may recall my previous visit to the site where you also responded. I look at this site most days, as I genuinely want to vote Tory but am not prepared to do so just to get a product virtually indistinguishable from the present Brand X. There have been various instances where I would have liked to comment but recognize that I mustn't intrude unduly in this club.

As to this specific topic, I have no problem if the "gurus" are politicians rather than spinmeisters. Whether or not I like Tory wets, drys or just-nicely-moists is irrelevant to the principle that it is the political prominentes themselves who should be possessed of the big ideas, using advisers etc simply to flesh out the details within those concepts. Otherwise they don't merit being in senior political positions. It is legitimate to be on the board of a commercial company and employing staff to scout round for good product ideas that might attract the customers. However, with a political party, I expect the board itself to be the ideas people.

Oh come on, in some way or other we all have gurus. People that we look upto or seek advice from. For Christs sake we tend to see Thatcher as a great leader (and she was) but she also had gurus.

I am a Tory through and through but I see in the "social responsibility" approach of Cameron not only a real solution for the issues that the country must tackle but also a deeply Conservative agenda.

He hasn't added a lot of detail. Well actually that may be a good thing as he if he was to there is no doubt Labour would nick it and screw it up.

Matt

Ken,

There have been various instances where I would have liked to comment but recognize that I mustn't intrude unduly in this club.

I hope that you continue to read and indeed keep posting more. You're not intruding in a "club" - the Conservative Party for a start mustn't be a narrow club, and one of this blog's aims (as it's owned by an independent editor) is to go far wider than just the Party.

(Note: you may occasionally see me bashing opposition supporters over the metaphorical head on here, but don't let that put you off!)

Please keep throwing your views into the debate when you feel you've a point to make, you might find it's good for all of us.

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