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Instead of quietly sorting out the EPP exit for us, Hague has been pontificating about forming a vast new trading bloc between the EU and NAFTA. It sounds completely barmy, but it's the objective of the secret society of which Hague is a member - the Bildeberg Group.

See his name listed here.
http://en.xiando.org/Bilderberg_Group

No wonder he's gone out of his way to block us leaving the EPP. It's not part of the master plan.

Ok, whatever William.

It's interesting to note how anonymous many Shadow Cabinet members have been - and if they do pop up, it's all very sudden and usually with something that many Conservatives are expecting to hear.

Personally I cannot think of one thing that either Theresa May or Oliver Letwin. Of course, they must be doing something useful and keeping their heads down. Working hard on something new perhaps?

That should read: "aren't expecting to hear."

Remember: always read your post through before posting it (unlike me.)

Also should read, "Personally I cannot think of one thing that either Theresa May or Oliver Letwin have said or done recently."

Particularly bad posting by me. Sorry.

Hague's speech extract......

I have been surprised by the breadth of support across Europe for a transatlantic free trade area, first proposed by Sir Malcolm Rifkind. It is a logical extension to the Single Market - if we think that removing barriers to trade within Europe is a good thing removing the transatlantic barriers would be even better.


If he's got his head in the clouds drinking in Bildeberg world government plans, he's not likely to be of much help to David Cameron trying to sort out the representation of Conservative views in the European Parliament.

(speech in full reported on conservatives.com)

He rightly deserves the blame for much of the dissatisfaction with Cameron.

He's blocking Cameron's expressed policy which is very popular with the Party. I expect his approval rating to keep tumbling from here on.

What is this obsession people have with the Bilderberg Group? I'll be expecting to read a contribution from David Icke in a minute... (ok that was a joke - sorry!!)

Seriously though - the group has a highly secret agenda, true but I don't seriously think it controls the World!

I am not at all surprised. So far, Cameron has been bringing the rest of the Party with him. Reluctantly, grudgingly, resignedly, we have followed, because we want our Party to be elected, and the new tactics appear to be working.

William Hague has, through his prevarication and negative influence on the EPP pledge, almost single handedly brought the Cameron bandwagon to the very brink of disaster - and he has already damaged the Cameron credibility very seriously whatever the outcome.

Abandoning the pivotal EPP pledge would be a move too far for many of us, who have done our best to remain loyal and trust in our new Leader, amid a storm of apparent Blairism and change. If we stay in the EPP - even for a year or so, the that trust will be destroyed, and is unlikely to be repaired whatever gloss might be put on it. The whole "New Tory" enterprise is founded on trust, and it will come crashing down if that trust is lost.

While I wouldn't put it as strongly as Tam, the prevarication over the EPP is needlessly demoralising to the bulk of the party grass roots. It makes it much harder to be an enthusiastic committed campaigner if we don't know where we stand. Hague has damaged Cameron, and himself, and for no good reason that I can see. I joined the party after Cameron was elected, to a large extent because of Cameron, but I was always a fan of Hague too, and I find this profoundly disappointing.

Reluctantly, grudgingly, resignedly, we have followed, because we want our Party to be elected, and the new tactics appear to be working.

Exactly. Isn't the first part of that a factor (occasionally reported by the media and commenters here in a negative light) without which the tactics could be woking even more effectively?

Abandoning the pivotal EPP pledge would be a move too far for many of us, who have done our best to remain loyal and trust in our new Leader, amid a storm of... change

Tam, I agree it could be frustrating that the pledge to form a new grouping for the Conservatives to move into is taking so long. However, this is only the first symbolic step on a longer term strategy of pressing colleagues in the EU towards a new course. The policy has not been retracted - throwing your own small rattle out of the pram will not help accomplish it in any way.

Simon - as above, I can understand your disappointment. While perhaps not uppermost in the mind of the electorate, we do need some longer-term explanation and preferably demonstration of exactly how we are going to deliver on the European aspects of our policy. I do, however, think that your more moderate and patient stance is far more helpful than that of most here.

I am also very pleased to see Maude's rating improved, especially given the frank interview he gave to ToryRadio - perhaps that was part of it! Potential podcasters take note!

Francis has recently been doing a difficult job with care and diplomacy. I received recently the papers on the Board's new proposals for restructuring Party membership, an additional item at a local Policy Forum meeting I am attending at the end of the week. While I acknowledge they came from the membership committee of the Board, rather than directly from the Chairman's Office, I believe they have much in the detail to recommend them to Associations.

If you want to throw brickbats at Francis Maude - I just hope he gets a small bit of the kudos when somthing as constructive as this arises out of each issue.

Sally I am not obsessed with the Bildeberg Group. It is William Hague who seems to be. If you read reports of the Bildeberg, the claims of their manipulation of world events do stack up. I'm not proposing you become obsessed either, but I am proposing that people become aware of Hague's involvement with the group, and how his rhetoric strangely matches the alleged Bildeberg aims.

Where else is this trans-Atlantic trading bloc proposal coming from? It's not a david Cameron policy. That's for sure.

What interests me is whether Cameron is also so deluded. At this moment I don't think he is. I see him as someone who has a different set of beliefs to Hague. That much gives a small glimmer of hope that the EPP decision might yet go the right way.

If it doesn't I think Cameron will leave Dan Hannan a small piece of rope to play with, and the promise will be partly fulfilled by the Magnificent 7.

But Hague is definitely a worry, and a major let down to the opportunity that he's been given on a plate. He's showing Cameron's generosity in placing him in charge of our international negotiations as a mistake. He's far too fond of etsablishing himself at the high table than representing Conservative views.

The crux of this argument is that this is politics, it isn't football, it isn't enough just to win. It's about what you do after you win, how you govern and change our country.

There do seem to be alot of "let's feel sorry for Francis Maude" sessions when these survey results are revealed.

William's right you know. Between them Hague and the lizards have got it stitched up (and I don't mean Merkel there...)!

Blimey!!! I was joking when I said I thought we'd be hearing from David Icke soon....!

Point taken, William and I will just agree to disagree with you.
I think is very sad however to see the support that William Hague formerly had in the party diminishing because of this one issue. How things change ("plus ca change" one might even say...)

William Hague believes in subsuming independent countries and forming large blocs, as he says in his speeches. Prescott is the hard front end of the programme, breaking up Britain into regions. Hague is the soft end, making it all sound innocuous.

He's probably very naive and a little corruptible to anyone telling him he's an important figure. As you say Sally, it's sad, but in the current moment in history, Hague's doing as much damage to us as Prescott.

What matters is where does Cameron stand. If he proves to be another Blair, then I cannot see many people being bothered to vote for him. If he is really in favour of Compassionate Conservatism's principles, then he will deliver on the EPP and reduce Hague to a position where he cannot do as much harm as he is currently.

William Hague lost it for me not over Europe (where some form of compromise seems inevitable) but when he stated that knowing what he knows now he would still support the war in Iraq. Neocon nutcase imo.

Seriously - what has David Davis done to deserve top spot yet again? His performances are at best adequate.

What have Theresa May and Oliver Letwin done to deserve being placed below the seemingly absent Andrew Lansley?

Have the Editors considered adding Shadow Trade & Industry Secretary Alan Duncan to this - with the Energy Review he's bound to be more high profile than say, Caroline Spelman.

Ah-ja, der EPP - das Euro parti de lo poples.

Que est dan Hague est dans La Hague!!! Ou dans Le Havre quislion tigel!!!!!

Que lopo di Hague n'est la ?

"Seriously - what has David Davis done to deserve top spot yet again? His performances are at best adequate. "

Who *does* deserve top spot?

David Davis has the magician's touch for making his opposite numbers resign.

What have Theresa May and Oliver Letwin done to deserve being placed below the seemingly absent Andrew Lansley?

Through his absence Andrew Lansley has not achieved, but has failed to offend. Theresa "Nasty" May and Oliver "Redistribution" Letwin, by contrast, are both visible and offensive to many with their every utterance.

You make a good point about Alan Duncan, Adam...

And with his chippy comments, he's likely to draw some flak.

The results showing subscribers views of performance of shadow cabinet members is all well and good, but where are the monthly figures for David Cameron?

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