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Conservatives can't just oppose Labour's "ineffective authoritarianism" - our home office team must actively propose our own security measures.

Sure but when the id card, for example, collapses into a multi billion dollar unmanagable heap, we need to be positioned to benefit from it.

I think 'hard-nosed' is a dreadful word. It makes me think of David Davis' profile.

"I think 'hard-nosed' is a dreadful word. It makes me think of David Davis' profile."

Good. The British public want to know that a 'tough guy' is in charge of home affairs.

They have Editor.They want 'phone tap evidence to be admissable in court which is something the police are very keen on too.Even Ming supports this so I cannot understand why the Gov't disagrees and is allowed to get away with calling us 'weak on terror'.

Malcolm - agreed but we need to be singing more things like this from the rooftops.

Yes, but we don't want to get into a "toughness" bidding war...we want to think smart on security.

I think we do have to sort it out. Folk are truly p----d off with some really nasty people wandering the streets, when they were actually handed down an appropriate sentence. We may need to spend money on some sort of corrective establishment or four, as we do not appear to have the capacity at present. The widows and widowers and parents of the dead at the hands of these people would agree, I'm pretty sure. Perhaps even some sort of secure educational establishment with the appropriate rehab in place. Not a trip to the Med. Its a hard call, as the looney left will be jumping up and down, and wringing their hands. We should tell them, there are some quite nasty rich kids out there as well. Its not all down to poverty.

This means that the Tories are now to the Left of Labour on national security issues.

And on the biggest national security: the threat of Islam within the realm the Tories are utterly silent other than that I've heard DC say that "Islam is a religion of peace".

I doubt Cameron can go on Newsnight and declare that Islam is a religion of evil.

I guess on this one Cameron wants to be balanced...tough on security but keeping freedoms and rights. Im not entirely sure how he plans on balancing liberty and security as an increase in security would have to infringe on liberties to one level or another.

"Im not entirely sure how he plans on balancing liberty and security as an increase in security would have to infringe on liberties to one level or another."

I think the way to do it currently (let's assume for a moment we were in power tomorrow) is to enforce the laws we currently have.

We have laws against incitement to violence already. We don't need a law glorifying terrorism. ID cards are not going to help matters at all. Blair has the legislation already he's just not doing anything with it. If DC amde this commitment to the laws we currently have being enforced and seen to be enforced then the public would feel safer.

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