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"Perhaps it would be worth reflecting on that before criticising Cameron in his attempt to make the Conservative Party electable"

Two points to make. One, I couldnt give a damn whether the proposals were left wing or right wing. As long as it helps the general public then Ill support it. The reason why I didnt support a lot of these proposals is because in my view, they wont help the public.

Secondly, whats the price of success? If we give up everything that makes us the Conservative Party what its been since its creation, its not much of a success because we are no longer what we are. Selling out is a weak way to win and something I cannot support.

Again, I repeat, I am a Conservative and I support the Party and its principles. I would risk my future political career so that other people with honourable intentions and strong qualities can help the people of this country. I am being critical, yes, but I am doing it because if I was to come out a happy clappy Tory then I would be lying not to myself but to every person that knows me.

Sean, no I think people from the 'ideological right' should think clearly as to why they have failed so badly in Britain in recent years and look to improve in the coming years.My point is that Cameron has to deal with the political landscape as it is now not as either he or we might want it to be in the future.
James H, a typically uncharitable view of my post.If you think either UKIP or Migrationwatch have communicated their ideas or solutions to the electorate at large well then I suggest we are living in different worlds!
Nor was I refering to Cameron supporters,rather I was refering to those on the 'ideological right' who have not only failed to sell their ideas well to the electorate at large,but also increasingly seem to be failing within the Conservative Party itself.I do not necessarily think that is a good thing.
The right needs another Keith Joseph.At the moment I don't see him or her out there.

I don't see Cameron's policies as an attempt to be either central or common ground as described by Joseph. They appear to me to be calculated to be the policies that are least likely to be misrepresented by the Labour Lie Factory.

The only policies that cannot be misrepresented by Labour are Labour's own policies. So he copies them, or creates similar versions.

With his policy flank protected from media assault, all Cameron has to do is to differentiate himself and the party by being more electable for his image, youth and his appeal over the tiring image of Labour.

Cameron's campaign is entirely a media focused campaign - not an opinion-focused campaign or a political left-right-centre calculation as per Keith Joseph.

"James H, a typically uncharitable view of my post.If you think either UKIP or Migrationwatch have communicated their ideas or solutions to the electorate at large well then I suggest we are living in different worlds!"

UKIP targetted their message well at that election. They failed to build on that subsequently.

Migrationwatch has helped shape the media's debate on immigration (for example, by providing working for the number of illegals, which Blair had claimed was impossible).

"My point is that Cameron has to deal with the political landscape as it is now not as either he or we might want it to be in the future."

This is a flawed argument. Yes, we need to understand what public opinion is now, but not so we can mirror it, rather so we can best work out how to change it. If all you aim to do is mirror public opinion, all you will ever achieve is to lag behind it.

"Nor was I refering to Cameron supporters,rather I was refering to those on the 'ideological right' who have not only failed to sell their ideas well to the electorate at large,but also increasingly seem to be failing within the Conservative Party itself"

And my point was that they are often one and the same, and that the people who were tasked with selling these policies and just didn't bother, are now the ones supporting their abandonment. It is a bit rich to be told, for example, that because we had the worst ambassadors for lower taxes imaginable, Messers Portillo and Letwin, that such ideas are unsellable - especially when the people saying that are Messers Portillo and Letwin!

Cameron's performance so far bears all the hallmarks of a classic sellout.

As a former member of FCS I recall how our comrades campaigned bravely against the various sellouts of Loyal Ulster .

Maybe it's time to resurrect that valiant spirit. Nulabour may be our opponents but on current form Cameron is the Enemy.

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