During furious Commons exchanges David Cameron taunted the Prime Minister over his "£7bn EU rebate surrender":
"On the budget, does the Prime Minister remember having three clear objectives? First, to limit its size, when almost every country in Europe is taxing and borrowing too much. Second, to ensure fundamental reform of the CAP. And third, to keep the British rebate unless such reform occurs. Isn't it now clear that he failed in every single one?"
Mr Cameron concluded with these words:
Why did he give up £7 billion for next to nothing? And - vitally - how is the Chancellor going to pay for it? More taxes? More borrowing? Or cuts in spending? Which is it? A good budget deal would have limited spending. It would have reformed the CAP. And it would have helped change Europe's direction. Isn't it the case that none of those things happened under the British Presidency? Europe needed to be led in a new direction. Aren't we simply heading in the same direction, but paying a bigger bill?"
Mr Blair defended the deal by saying that Britain had invested in the future prosperity of Eastern Europe:
"To have championed the cause of these new states; to have welcomed them into NATO and Europe and then to have refused to agree a budget that protects their future economic development would have been a betrayal of everything Britain has rightly stood for in the past 15 years or more since the fall of the Berlin wall. They are our allies. It is our duty to stand by them. But it is also massively in our interest."
Read the full text of David Cameron's Commons speech.
Eveverbody who's ever seen "Yes Minister" would have realised that Tony Blair had sold Britain out the moment Jacques Chirac described him as "courageous".
As Sir Humphrey used to say, "if you want to be really sure that the Minister doesn't accept it you must say the decision is courageous... Controversial only means this will lose you votes, courageous means this will lose you the election."
Posted by: James Hellyer | December 19, 2005 at 19:13
Any link to a video of the debate?
Posted by: Owenite Adrift | December 19, 2005 at 20:23
Cameron was quite good, but the Prime Minister simply refused to answer *any* questions. He just repeated, again and again and again, the trite formula that 'if you are for enlargement you must be for this deal'. He had nothing else to say, it was rather pathetic.
Although DC was effective, I'm afraid I didn't find the conservative backbenches very helpful in firing on Blair. Both Howard and Duncan Smith asked questions (IDS being the stronger of the two), but they should have slapped him around with some more facts & figures.
What Blair has done is really incredibly incompetent and I think the Tories weren't fierce enough. They should have destroyed Blair on this, but he got away, limping.
Posted by: Goldie | December 19, 2005 at 21:22
I've just watched a desperate situation in a tv program called 'demolition' about an elderly lady in Gosport, who encouraged by the 'right to buy' did so and is now living in a slum. The despair and lack of anywhere to go with her problem, a flat worth £22,000 that she paid £27,000 for in the 80's left me feeling sick to the stomach.
That we can gift away such an amount of money when we can't help good, hard working (her husband was still working even though over retirement age) people in the UK makes me angry.
Posted by: a-tracy | December 19, 2005 at 21:30
I agree Goldie - the Prime Minister (as usual) refused to answer any of the questions or assure people of the deal. All he did was repeat his tired old mantra that EU enlargement must be paid for. Perhaps he should have told us that during the election campaign, when he said the rebate was non-negotiable?
It worries me that we're giving so much money away to prop up public works in Estonia when this country needs sorting out first. It wouldn't be too bad if we at least saw an end to the bloated old dinosaur that is the CAP. Then I would be happy to see some investment in Eastern Europe.
But WHY have we given so much up for so few
concessions? I thought Cameron did a really good job of destroying the effectiveness of the French guarantee of a review by mentioning that France would have the Presidency in 2008. We have sold ourselves to Europe with very little to show for it in return. How embarrasing.
Posted by: Elena | December 19, 2005 at 22:25
It really is a testament to Blair's skills that he has managed to survive this fiasco in one piece. While he has undoubtably been damaged he really should have been destroyed, especially after Brown had stuck the knife in.
Posted by: Richard Allen | December 19, 2005 at 23:13
I watched the statement and answers and Blair did not answer one single question. He simply went off on a tangent.
Cameron has also hired The Sun's executive editor, Chris Roycroft-Davis as his speechwriter. "I believe David Cameron has many vital messages to communicate to voters. He has a bold vision for a modern Conservative party which will strike a chord with millions of people who, like me, have been bitterly disappointed by the failings and fumblings of Labour," he said.
Posted by: PD James | December 19, 2005 at 23:45
"Mr Blair defended the deal by saying that Britain had invested in the future prosperity of Eastern Europe."
Yes, but David Cameron pointed out that Ireland, which is richer per capita than the UK, will actually be getting more than the likes of Lithuania, Poland and Slovakia. As usual, Blair is talking poppycock. Britain has actually invested in propping up inefficient, wasteful French farmers and the cowardly, selfish French president.
Posted by: Daniel Vince-Archer | December 20, 2005 at 00:29
I thought Blair was really manic. His arms were waving everywhere, and he was overly high-pitched. His tangents were also rather bizarre -- going on about the Tories withdrawal from the EPP etc (including the obligatory Kilroy-Silk joke, an ex-Labour colleague, remember) -- and it all looked so desperate.
I also didn't understand why Blair considers it an insult to say, "I see euroscepticism is alive and well in the Tory Party". Doesn't he realise that this country is overwhelmingly eurosceptic? Once again it is an illustration that what Westminster judges to be acceptable, or good, is very far apart from the judgements of the country (and Blair was the man who took consolation from the fact that the people agreed with him over 90 days).
As an aside, Charles Kennedy was so terrible it was embarassing (not for the first time).
Posted by: John Hustings | December 20, 2005 at 08:51
For video of the debate go to www.parliamentlive.tv and look in the archive for the relevant day. The whole day's business is a single streaming video, so you'll need to know roughly how far into the day the debate was.
Hope this helps.
Posted by: Mike Christie | December 20, 2005 at 11:20
You can find that out by looking at the archive further information which shows the times. Blair started his speech just after 3:30 so its about an eigth through the video.
Posted by: James Maskell | December 20, 2005 at 11:39
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought Blair looked manic, John. For the first five minutes I was trying to work out whether it was deliberate or he really had lost it this time. All in all, I thought he sounded quite petulant (wouldn't be the first time, of course).
Posted by: Elena | December 20, 2005 at 11:43
Its difficult to see how anyone will forget the Hague quote.
Our Dear Leader has put his foot in it. As James rightly points out, Jacques Chirac's description was spot on.
He is stuck in the rut of calling Eurosceptics cranks. Lets hope he continues to dig this hole for himself, whilst DC paints himself as a pragmatic Eurosceptic.
It won't be long before everyone is perfectly aware of who the cranks and loonies are.
Posted by: EU Serf | December 20, 2005 at 13:11