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12/08/2012

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Mohammed Amin

I agree with Adam Afriyie's comments above. I addressed similar issues myself on ConservativeHome earlier this year in my pieces http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/07/paying-tax-is-not-a-moral-issue.html and http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/08/the-corporate-duty-to-avoid-tax.html

matthew fox

Rooting out tax evasion, this government is hell bent on encouraging tax evasion.

We have the identity of UK nationals who have money in Swiss Bank Accounts, hidden from the public gaze and the Right talk about clamping down on tax cheats.

At least the Germans had the intelligence to throw out an amnesty to tax cheats, if only the Right had the backbone to do the same.

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Sagitariouse

This is a most thoughtful argument with I totally agree - but with a proviso. UK-based fast growing, wealth and job creating companies which plough every penny into R&D and business development which are forced to capitalise spend on equipment which may be obsolete within the year are taxed on non-existant fictional profits. Meanwhile operations based outside the UK can undercut them, using artificial transfer pricing, royalties and intra-company loans at unrealistic rates to wipe out any UK tax bill. I once shared responsibility for helping set the policies of a long-established UK-based multi-national, including justifying these to tax authorities around the world. Everyone got about 10% on local sales - but the mix of taxes and intra-company payments to achieve and demonstrate such equity was weird and wonderful. That company, which I was indeed proud to work for, was sold by greedy shareholders with delusions of grandeur and no longer exists. The scale of current abuse (legal or otherwise) and recent collapse in UK Corporate Tax revenues is such that we to be far more robust about addressing the fictional intra-company transfer pricing, royalties and loans of those who make substantial sales in the UK but pay little or no taxes while putting those who do out of business. Given that many, perhaps most, of the jurisdictions involved are members of the EU (e.g. Ireland, Luxembourg or Malta) or are Crown Dependencies (e.g. the Cayman Islands) this need not have to wait for OECD and may well not even need legislation.

belby la farge

Afriye is right but notwithstanding this consumer power used against large multinational corporations is always a good thing as it prevents them from becoming too powerful or arrogant.

I get the impression that some Tories do not like this and seek to stop it, which they can't of course!

Bob3142

"Conservatives and socialists might differ on how government revenues should be spent, but it cannot be disputed that it is private enterprise that creates the wealth in the first place."

It certainly can be disputed. This idea might be common on the right, but it's ridiculous. When several industries were nationalised by the Attlee government, did they instantly go from creating wealth to not overnight? Even if everything continued exactly as before, merely because they are legally owned by the state they suddenly cease to be wealth creating?

The fact that companies create wealth is not shown by the fact that they pay taxes and staff salaries. That money all comes from consumers buying their products after all, as far as money goes the companies merely shuffle it around. They create wealth because they add value: the goods they produce, or the services they provide, are worth more to the people who buy them than the money spent in salaries and infrastructure costs by the company. Most of us agree these days that the state shouldn't generally be in the business of producing goods, but it provides plenty of services. Schools create wealth for example, because the education each teacher provides is worth more than the salary of that teacher. The question of whether it's the state or a private company that owns the school is immaterial. Wealth is created all across the economy.

Donald Burling

What is wealth creation? Not the same as making money. Those who make a fortune trading on the stock market are not creating wealth, nor are banks which charge interest on money that does not belong to them. Such profits ought to be heavily taxed.

Certainly if tax avoidance is legal, then it is the law that needs to be changed.

Peter Gladstone

If it is clear no one can stop it then a different tax system should be implemented. I advise on tax and it is clear that it is the moral duty of a tax adviser to help save a client tax.

Does anyone have anything constructive to say about how to stop these companies avoiding tax at the expense of uk based companies who could start doing the same.

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The tax practices of international corporations have brought the debate on tax avoidance and wealth creation sharply into focus. Yet the moral outrage directed at Amazon and others may well be misplaced.

Cayman Islands Jobs

Landlords are the ones who are notorious in tax evasions

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