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The numbers on last night's vote on Same-Sex Marriage.
YES - TOTAL: 397
NO – TOTAL: 172
DELIBERATE ABSTENTIONS (i.e. voted both ways): 5 (All Conservatives)
ABSENT/ABSTAINED: 67
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Same-sex marriage vote.
Tellers: Peter Bone (Wellingborough) and Therese Coffey (Suffolk Coastal).
Five of those on the list above also voted Yes: Angie Bray, Andrea Leadsom, Phillip Lee, Charlotte Leslie, Rob Wilson.
By Tim Montgomerie
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On ConHome yesterday Philip Cowley listed some of the key facts about the latest state of rebellious play in the Conservative parliamentary party, including:
Here is a list of the 37 Tory MPs who have participated in all of the three biggest rebellions that have taken place in this parliament - (i) the vote in favour of an EU referendum; (ii) the vote against Nick Clegg's Lords scheme; and (iii) a vote for a real terms cut in the EU budget:
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In addition to the 53 Tory MPs who rebelled on the EU debate here's a list of the thirteen who apparently abstained (either deliberately or because of absence):
Philip Cowley and Mark Stuart are in the Centre for British Politics at the University of Nottingham. Follow Philip on Twitter.
Size: Some 53 Conservative MPs, including tellers, voted against their whip. That’s not the largest rebellion of the Parliament so far (which was over Lords reform), or even the largest rebellion over Europe (the revolt of a year ago, over a referendum, involved 81 Conservative MPs). But it does make it a larger revolt than any Conservative rebellion over Europe before 2010 – including bigger than any of the Maastricht rebellions.
Systematic: This was not the Government’s first Commons defeat. Even leaving aside the issue of Lords reform (where they were not formally defeated but withdrew the legislation in the face of certain defeat) they had previously gone down to defeat in December 2011 on the motion that the House had considered the economy – as a result of an old fashioned Labour ambush, with Labour MPs hiding until enough Conservative MPs had gone home. Defeats caused by such tactical manoeuvres are embarrassing for the government but they do not represent a systematic problem. Last night was the first Commons defeat caused by internal opposition, and it is therefore much more serious.
Whipping: Nor, indeed, was it Sir George Young’s first rebellion as Chief Whip. That honour went to a rebellion by Philip Davies on a Labour Opposition Day Motion on Policing on 24 October. Indeed, it wasn’t even Sir George’s second rebellion. That was a revolt on 30 October by six Conservative MPs on the Draft Welfare of Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (England) Regulations 2012. But he won’t have lost much sleep over those. David Cameron has had three Chief Whips. Two – Patrick McLoughlin and Sir George Young – have been defeated in the Commons. Andrew Mitchell is his only undefeated Chief Whip. We doubt that makes Mr Mitchell feel much better.
51 in total, with two tellers:
9.45pm: Tellers Peter Bone and Philip Hollobone added to lift tally of rebels to 53.
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Minutes before the result of tonight's EU budget vote was announced, Westminster — and Twitter, natch — was abuzz with all sorts of contradictory rumours. No.10 was saying that the rebels had won it; the rebels were suggesting that they'd just missed out. Who was playing whom?
But, in the end, the confusion may well have been due to the closeness of the result. The government was indeed defeated, but by only 13 votes. Here's how it broke down:
Ayes in favour of the Reckless amendment: 307
Nos: 294
What does this change? In terms of the specific matter at hand, the EU Budget negotiations, it's hard to tell. The government says, for now, that it will continue to negotiate for a real-terms freeze when the Eurosummit convenes next month — although don't be suprised if ministers suggest more frequently, as David Cameron did in PMQs earlier, that what they really, really want is a cut, but that, sadly, is undeliverable, etc.
But tonight's vote could well have wider rammifications. Even though the number of Tory rebels looks to be lower than for last year's Tory rebellion — perhaps around the 50 mark — it is still far from ideal for David Cameron to have the word DEFEAT splattered across tomorrow's papers. Questions will be asked about his grip over his party. Questions will be asked about the new whipping operation under Sir George Young. Questions will be asked about the Tory Party and Europe.
But more signficant than all of that is what Mr Cameron actually manages to return with from Brussels. At the moment, it looks as though he'll struggle to secure even a freeze. But, as I suggested yesterday, an extended negotiating period could strengthen the power of any threatened veto, as Europe quivers at the prospect of no agreement being reached.
There's no point making predictions, though. There are countless participants in this grim comedy, from Tory backbenchers to the governments of Eastern Europe — and that means uncertainty all the way.
8pm update:
ConHome will have more on tonight's vote as it comes in.
By Tim Montgomerie
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Earlier today I published Philip Cowley's list of the 143 Tory MPs who've rebelled against the Coalition. One of the names on the list is Stuart Andrew MP. Stuart was one of the 81 rebels on the backbench EU referendum motion. But guess what? The Cabinet Office will shortly announce that he's the new PPS to Francis Maude. You may remember that Mr Maude lost his previous PPS - Angie Bray - over the Lords rebellion.
This is a significant moment. It's the first sign that rebels may have a hope in the expected September reshuffle. My Whips Office source was careful to point out that Andrew rebelled on a backbench motion rather than government business but neither would he rule out promotions for Lords rebels. "Let bygones be bygones" were his words.
Forgiveness is probably the right way forward but the small number of Tory MPs who have stayed loyal to the Government at all times may not feel the same way if they see rebels leapfrog ahead of them.
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I'm grateful to Philip Cowley, Professor of Parliamentary Government at the University of Nottingham, for supplying this full list of the 143 Tory MPs who have rebelled against the Government in this Parliament.
This is what I wrote yesterday: "My guess is that now the genie of backbench power is out of the bottle it won't easily be put back. Those Tory MPs who were part of the "81" or the "91" won't suddenly become ultra-loyal even if the ideal party leader or agenda is suddenly discovered. Rebelliousness is now in the Tory bloodstream with huge implications for how whipping should be carried out."
11.15am: Douglas Carswell MP reacting to this list argues that he's not so much a rebel as someone doing his job, representing his constituents and beliefs. Read his words.
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We know that 91 Tories voted against the Lords Reform Bill last night. That's the big, headline grabbing figure - the biggest rebellion in this Parliament.
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11.30pm Update List of Conservative MPs who opposed Second Reading:
Tellers: Peter Bone and Craig Whittaker.
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The 91 figure comes from Sky News. It may not be quite right. But we can be sure that the revolt against the bill has beaten last autumn's 82 votes for a EU referendum.
So how big a proportion of Conservative backbenchers is 91?
Let's work on the assumption that there are roughly 207 Tory backbenchers. This is because there are 307 Conservative MPs in total. At least 80 serve as Commons Ministers or Whips. Add the Parliamentary Private Secretaries - there appears to be no complete record of them on the net - and one can't be far short of 100 members of the front bench.
So 91 is well over a third of all backbenchers and approaching half - 103 or so.
But wait. 91 is just the number that voted against the bill. There will be abstentions as well. So it's more likely than not that if one adds votes against to abstentions over half of all Tory backbenchers failed to support it.
And since some Ministers will have held their noses and voted for the bill it's fair to say that there's no consensus for it among the 307 Conservative MPs.
PPS Conor Burns resigned from the Government this afternoon and PPS Angie Bray has been sacked for voting against the bill.
By Matthew Barrett
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Philip Cowley and Mark Stuart of the University of Nottingham have released a new pamplet - "The Bumper Book of Coalition Rebellions", which documents the 239 backbench rebellions so far in this Parliament, in which 544 votes have been held.
The pamplet takes us from the first rebellion, on the government’s control of time in the Commons, to the last, on Sunday Trading during the Olympics. This Parliament has seen more rebellions by government MPs than in any other session in the post-war era. As "The Bumper Book" says, "It comfortably beats the previous record of 128, held by Conservative MPs in the 1971-72 session. Indeed, a figure of 239 is higher than all but three entire post-war parliaments."
In fact, there were more rebellions in the last two years than there were between 1945 and 1966 - a period which saw six Prime Ministers and six parliaments. On a different measure, the "relative rate of rebellion", this session's 239 rebellions constitute a rebellion by Coalition MPs in 44% of divisions, which is a record in post-war parliaments. The 44% figure can be broken down further: Conservative MPs have rebelled in 28% of votes, while Lib Dems have rebelled in 24% of votes.
It is also notable how much of a contrast there is between the 2010-12 session and most first sessions in a parliament. As the pamplet says: "The rebellion rate for coalition MPs collectively is way above all other first sessions in the post-war era (the previous record was 28%, for Labour MPs in the 2005-6 session, as the party entered its third, and most troublesome, parliament under Tony Blair)".
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By Tim Montgomerie
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A good number of Tory MPs rebelled last night over Budget measures.
Ten rebelled over the so-called pasty tax, including four West Country MPs (italics):
Seventeen rebelled over the 'caravan tax':
Another 14 rebelled about VAT on protected buildings, including churches:
In total I calculate 29 rebels. Philip Hollobone was the only Tory MP to rebel on all three occasions.
In addition two Tory MPs abstained by voting in both lobbies; Iain Stewart and Mike Weatherley. Other abstaining MPs have yet to be identified.
One Liberal Democrat voted for a referendum; Adrian Sanders. Mr Sanders, notably, represents Torbay in the Eurosceptic South West.
19 Labour MPs defied Ed Miliband's three line whip and voted for the motion.
* Tellers.