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Mike Dark

Well said Boris. We need to oppose the vile BNP. Of course, most BNP support comes from Labour areas in any case e.g. Barking and Dagenham.

Malcolm Dunn

Good for Boris. It may cost him votes but it's the right thing to do.

Battersea Dog

Good for you Bozzer!

Bog off BNP!

Mr Disgusted

Given that New Labour have utterly corrupted and undermined this country over the last ten years to a point of maybe never recovering, are the Tories really suggesting that the BNP having a couple of seats on the London assembly is worse than another term for Livingstone.
Is this a case of believing the overblown leftwing, so called antifascist propaganda or just a closed shop mentality among the main Parties.
The more I see the Tories align themselves alongside Labour, the less I see the seam.

LeedsLass

Neither does David Cameron in his interview on LBC at 6pm tonight. It seems a bit harsh really because BNP supporters are generally just normal English people who've been deluged by immigration and this is what they vote on.

When will it be acceptable for the British National Party to have equal airtime to other parties - after all, a few years ago I seem to remember a flying yogi in the election broadcasts.

At the moment, "despicable" is a term I would use for the Labour party and the present government, not the BNP. After Cameron's weasly words, Boris, much as I think he'll be a good Mayor of London, might get my second vote.

A television debate would be a good idea.

Apart from my quibbling about the coverage of the BNP and it's dismissal, it's been a good interview for David Cameron - he came across well.

Mr Disgusted

And don't forget, the BNP eat babies. Sheesh!

CONfused

They don't eat babies, however, their thin veneer of being patriotic is somewhat exposed by their unadulterated white nationalism

LeedsLass

CONfused @ 18.58pm
I find your assertion of 'a thin veneer of being patriotic' interesting. What do you mean by this?

Insofar as I can make out, the BNP are pro-Great Britain (ie patriotic) and they are not 'indigenous anglo-saxons' only. It seems there are people of other religions/ethnicities who are actually BNP councillors. Not many, I admit, but it takes years to build trust. The BNP are building trust and I, for one, welcome them to the politcal platform and would like to see a debate on tv.

Give airtime equally and the public will decide for themselves. Isn't that democracy?

David Parker

Whilst Labour may lose more(sometimes critical) votes to BNP than the Conservatives, that party could also tip the balance in several marginal seats in either direction, in both local and general elections. It is therefore politically naive for any of the major parties to try to contemptuously dismiss or vilify increasingly important protest groups, without any effort to address or counter their fears or arguments, many of which do require a reasoned and honest response.


CONfused

What correspondents say is true - but to a degree. I'm not unhappy with debate with the BNP, but having encountered far too many of their activists not so recently, I stand by my previous point that IN MY EXPERIENCE their alleged patriotism is white nationalism.

Here is not the arena to go into the in and outs of experience but the fact remains. The have no ethnic councillors - just one alleged Jewish one in Epping Forest

Richard Carey

LeedsLass: Insofar as I can make out, the BNP are pro-Great Britain (ie patriotic) and they are not 'indigenous anglo-saxons' only. It seems there are people of other religions/ethnicities who are actually BNP councillors. Not many, I admit, but it takes years to build trust.

That would be quite a con-trick, LeedsLass, for a party that has racism enshrined in its constitution.

For the avoidance of doubt, section 1, paragraph 2, subsection (b) of the BNP constitution states:

"The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic
character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948."

I think for anyone reading this who is querying why the BNP are "vilified" by moderate, mainstream politicians and activists in forums such as this one need read no further to find their answer.

I think the rejection of the second preference votes was the correct signal to send - however, we all need to ensure that the "big lies" of the BNP are exposed, and then perhaps fair-minded, decent people would not be inclined to give them their first-preference votes to start with.

MrB

The main problem with connecting the BNP and Patriotism is that it begins to create the impression among the public that Patriotism is 'owned' by them, and therefore must be racist.

In recent years our national symbols have become tainted, with many people unsure if it is racist to fly the Union Jack. We cannot keep letting extremists hijack such important things.

CONfused

Well Mr Carey thank you for that constitutional clarification - just goes to prove a point.


Yes our symbols have been stolen by the far-Right, but only because the Left in government have denigrated them. However, that said, I have encouraged Black Tory activism and have been attacked as a traitor to my race by the far-right. That's why their patriotism is white nationalism

Richard Carey

CONfused: Well Mr Carey thank you for that constitutional clarification - just goes to prove a point.

No problem, I came across it as part of some oppo research when we had BNP council candidates here last year. It's from the 8th Edition of their constitution - so if it was a typo I'd expect they'd have had up to seven chances to sort it out!

The ethnic requirements of their membership rules are also enlightening, if equally repulsive...

RW

I came across this site googling Boris Johnson, I think. The BNP website is www.bnp.org.uk and its manifesto points are easily found; they deal with the economy, Europe, education, immigration, and numerous topics. Neither Cameron -- a sort of head boy type - nor Boris Johnson show any sign of producing a manifesto. The BNP site also has proposals made by Barnbrook for his Essex council, many or most being highly sensible -- look and see.

I myself suggested that many London voters will be undecided between Livingstone and Johnson, both being useless and refusing debate; if such voters pair off, and put Barnbrook first then the other second, the result will be unchanged if Barnbrook loses.

Mr Disgusted

I think that Boris Johnson is extremely arrogant to have stated such a thing and I further hope that voters take him at his word as he seems to be insinuating that anyone who votes BNP is worthless.

One thing you can guarantee is that the BNP will make politics interesting again and any contribution they make will not consist of the mealy mouthed politics of the closed ranks of the LibLabConParty.

Geoerge Deighton

Who the hell is Boris Johnson

Who wants a Mayor Anyway

Boris wont want members of the Synod to vote for him either: Anglican Church in trouble, accused of BNP sympathies, according to today's Telegraph:

Synod Member labelled as more typical of a member of the British National Party than the Anglican Church.

No more mosques, says senior Synod member

By Jonathan Petre, Religion Correspondent

Last Updated: 8:38am BST 02/04/2008

A senior lay member of the Church of England's "Parliament" has called for a ban on the building of more mosques in Britain. said that new mosques should not be built in this country while Islamic states continued to persecute Christians.The former magistrate, who was one of the strongest critics of the Archbishop of Canterbury's speech on Islamic law earlier this year, added that sharia would be introduced into Britain "if we don't watch out".
A Church of England spokesman added: "These are her personal comments, speaking as an individual." But senior Muslims had already reacted angrily to her comments, saying they were more typical of a member of the British National Party than the Anglican Church.

We need more mosques not less for the Muslims who will enter fom the EU. Vote Boris!

LeedsLass

CONfused, are you saying that your friends and neighbours accuse you of being 'far-right' just because you are a Conservative activist? I'm sorry you've had problems, we'll get there in the end!

There are all sorts of people standing as BNP councillors and their supporters come from many backgrounds - black, white, pink, sky blue with polka dots

The English people are, by nature, neither far left nor far right - when was the last time an 'extremist' party held power? (Cromwell?)

If anyone cares to look at their manifesto, the BNP is actually more to the left than the right but most people who vote for them don't care about the excesses - they are, increasingly, working class English people.

I think DC should take note and re-take the right of centre ground.

Dontmakemelaugh

Donal Blaney recently put forward his seven deadly sins. Among which was the sound observation that it was a mistake to create enemies amongst your natural supporters by insulting their intelligence.

Many of those that will vote BNP are decent people thoroughly fed up with mainstream politicians continually ignoring their concerns, Richard Carey or no Richard Carey.
Boris is making another one of his boobs. He might well pay for it and then we all will. Shut it Boris.

MrB

People who can join a party which is so blatantly racist (As proved by Richard Carey's comment) or where senior figures make comments like...

'To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. '

...Are either not decent people, or are very ill-informed.

Do you not think it would be more decent to withold your vote rather than support these kind of sentiments?

Margaret on the Guillotine

RW: inter alia -

http://www.backboris.com/assets/completed_transport_manifesto.pdf
http://www.backboris.com/assets/crime_manifesto_complete_final_final.pdf
http://www.backboris.com/assets/environ._final.pdf
http://www.backboris.com/assets/complete_housing.pdf

Matthew Hague

seems that the BNP has wheeled out it's trolls!

I'd like to respond to the comments about airtime for the BNP.
why should the BNP get equal airtime to Con/Lab/Lib? they have no power! ~They have little popular support behind them, and as has been shown time and time again when they do gain a seat in local council elections they do little to restore peoples trust in politics.
They are devisive, they have links to extremist organisations (including the london nail bomber) and it was widely reported that they were partly instrumental in the race riots in oldham et al.

They cover their racism in a thin veneer of respectability and isolationism which suckers in the most disaffected in society. I fought against a BNP candidate in last years local elections and had to field questions from people considering voting for them, these people were not stupid but they did feel let down it's just a shame that they felt resigned to voting for them!

Buckinghamshire Tory

There are weirdoes, racists and bad apples among the BNP-leadership and activists. When the Tory Party come across these people in the consituencies, we need to confront them with their flawed policies, just as we would do with Labourites and Liberal Democrats.
However, the vast majority of people voting BNP are decent people, just as the people voting for Respect, UKIP, Labour, the Liberals and the Conservative Party.

anthony scholefield

The BNP is forecast to get 5-8% of the vote in London and Johnson says he does not want them to vote for him as second preference.
What planet does this idiot live on and why should we conservatives put our hard earned money behind him-if he succeds in losing by a small percentage

anthony scholefield

The BNP is forecast to get 5-8% of the vote in London and Johnson says he does not want them to vote for him as second preference.
What planet does this idiot live on and why should we conservatives put our hard earned money behind him-if he succeds in losing by a small percentage

Mr Disgusted

Maybe it isn't 'what planet' rather what city, ie, Londonistan, Boris is afraid of losing out to the much higher percentage of ethnic voters. Wasn't it a couple of weeks ago that Boris was boasting about how proud he was to have a muslim grandfather or suchlike. Rather like Obama claiming to be Irish I suppose.
Still a really silly statement to make, all things considered and if he loses by a few votes.... well we'll all be disappointed.

Jill, London

Whilst making it quite clear I am neither a supporter of – nor apologist for – the BNP, I would like to put forward a broader view about the BNP, and the London Mayoral – and GLA – elections.

Since 1997, the ‘government of all the Comrades’ has tinkered with our democratic system by introducing proportional representation to some new administrations – for instance, devolution in Scotland, and Wales – and the London Mayoralty with attendant Assembly members. [The Yellow Peril must be delighted as they’ve been advocating proportional representation for decades. More evidence of the Lib-Lab Pact?]

However, as with so much Labour government meddling, they often become victims of the law of unintended consequences – such as their horror at the shock victory of the SNP in the last year’s Scottish Parliament elections.

Regarding the possibility of the BNP winning even one seat on the GLA – blame lies at the door of the Labour government.

Ephraim Gadsby

The BNP is forecast to get 5-8% of the vote in London and Johnson says he does not want them to vote for him as second preference.
What planet does this idiot live on and why should we conservatives put our hard earned money behind him

What planet do people posting comments like this live on?

Boris is absolutely right to disassociate himself from the despicable BNP. Their call for second preference votes to go to him is pure mischief making on their part - it's a PR gift for Labour and Boris had no choice but to take the swift action he has.

The BNP are unspeakable fascist scum and no decent right-thinking person should even consider voting for them, whether as first preference or ninety ninth. They are evil.

Has anyone speaking up for these boneheads on this board actually read their views on race, or rape (as raised in PMQs today) plus a host of other topics?

tory activist

Watch out. Here come the racists.

"sky blue with polka dots"

Serf

Whilst agreeing that the BNP is

A) unpleasant
B) Left Wing

I think we Conservatives should be careful about how we approach them. They are a relatively unimportant competitor for votes. They should be treated as such.

Their strategy is to appeal to fear, something that works well in times of uncertainty. Ours needs to be to appeal to hope.

If we demonise them we do two things.
1) Raise their profile and make them the default protest vote (Don't forget in many cases its low risk even for voters that dislike what they stand for)
2) It undermines us when we want to raise issues that they try to claim for themselves, most prominently immigration.

Boris has been painted into this by his opponents calling him a racist.

Richard Tyndall

Leedslass said:

"There are all sorts of people standing as BNP councillors and their supporters come from many backgrounds - black, white, pink, sky blue with polka dots"

I note you are careful to only say "supporters". Of course this is because you cannot actually be a "member" of the BNP unless you are "Indigenous Caucasian".

As long as such racism is enshrined in their constitution the BNP can never be acceptable as a part of the political extablishment.

Boris was absolutely right in what he said. It was in response to a specific announcement by the BNP and as such he had every right to make it clear he disapproved adn did not want such support.

sally

And the riots in France Denmark Brusssels Germany were the BNP responsible for those also?
GROW UP!
The times warned regarding the BNP'S rise but just bury your heads back in the sand!
Common Purpose which includes Tory filth also.
The Moslems will decide the outcome of the mayoral contest accept it, they decided the Brussels one.

jeff

"for instance, devolution in Scotland, and Wales – and the London Mayoralty with attendant Assembly members"

It's a bit ignorant not to notice that the Conservative candidate in this election supports having "the London Mayoralty with attendant Assembly members"

Jill, London

“Jeff” calls me “a bit ignorant”, and in return I would like to suggest he has a problem with straightforward comprehension regarding my post! The thread concerns BNP votes – and I made the point that how come the BNP are being discussed in terms of getting a London Assembly seat.

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