So, this "debate" was between Will Self, who thought that the wickedness and incompetence of the Bush regime has led America to lose its moral authority, and that this was not compensated for by the possibility of future democratic response, and Simon Schama, who agreed completely that Bush regime has been wicked and incompetent, but argued that this has not led America to lose its moral authority, because this wickedness and incompetence would in due course be addressed through a democratic response.
The possibility that the Bush regime is not wicked and incompetent and has not damaged US moral authority appeared not sufficiently live to be worth mentioning by anyone, even the interviewer...