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Simon Newman

A powerful review.

"Policy makers in Britain, he adds, seem “content to tolerate intolerance, and give a platform to those who are committed to destroying democracy and advocate religion-based separatism”. If that is the attitude of non-Muslims in Britain, Husain asks, why should moderate Muslims be expected to act against extremism?"

I think this is a critical point. The Labour government has made a fetish of demanding that moderate Muslims deal with the Islamists, while at the same time the government consistently protects and promotes those very Islamists, demoralising both moderate Muslims and the non-Muslim population. All in the name of 'sensitivity' and 'tolerance'.


I'll be honest with you - reviews by men who admit to having had 'very strange visions', which then inform their political stances, strike me as being Barmy. If one wasn't Catholic, for example, one could just as easily see, in traditional literature, an English vision of a black robed figure stalking the land and bringing doom in his wake as being symbolic of historic fear of the Roman Catholic church seeking to 'reconquer Mary's Dowry' etc etc. Somehow I don't see anyone admitting to 'visions' like that today being treated with anything other than entirely contempt for holding them. Ben Rogers discredits everything else he writes with nonsense like this, and offers an open goal to any and every Labour opponent he ever faces in future.


'... entirely justified ...'

Ben Rogers

Dear ACT,

I am sorry you feel this way. In fact, I am not Catholic - and yes, I can see how one might view that 'vision' in the way you describe. However, I do not think that should discredit everything else in the review. Read the extracts I quote from Husain's book. Or better still, read the book itself, before making a judgment.

Warm regards,

Ben Rogers

Incidentally, ACT, you have taken my one 'vision' and exagerrated it considerably. I do not make a habit of having visions; nor do they 'inform' my political position. In this one instance - the only time it has ever happened to me - I felt that it confirmed, rather than informed, what I was already beginning to understand. I assure you, my political positions are developed from proper research, exploration, discussion, dialogue, thought and understanding.

Ben Rogers

Dear ACT, I rather think it's a pity that you lack the courage of your convictions and choose not to use your real name here. It would be interesting to know more about who you are. But I repeat, if that paragraph was the only thing that made you doubt the book, then please ignore it. Re-read the rest of the review, and better still read the book, and make up your own mind based on Husain's evidence, not my 'barmy' vision which was, as I say, a one-off.


I haven't 'exagerrated' your 'vision' (i.e. fantasy) one jot: I've simply repeated it. You are, I think, on your way to being ashamed of writing such self-discrediting nonsense. But let's repeat the absurd passage, sorry, 'vision', in full and unaltered:

I had a very very strange vision. I have never shared this publicly before but I feel now is the time to do so. I am not normally given to pictures and dreams. I am not mad. But I was with my friend James Mawdsley one evening, and we went to a Catholic Mass in Lancashire. In the middle of the Mass, I closed my eyes to pray. To my astonishment, I saw very clearly a picture of what Husain describes as “the green, serene English countryside”. A man was sleeping peacefully in a field in the sunshine. Suddenly, the picture filled with darkness. A figure clad all in black came walking across the fields towards the sleeping man. The fields became red with blood. I had a feeling that it was still not too late, and that if he awoke in time he could rescue the situation – but that if he stayed in his slumber, he would face unimaginable danger and destruction. I was filled with a sense that the figure represented extremist Islamism, and the sleeping man was Britain.

These are not the words of a man who has established his own seriousness. Unfortunately they are, as I said, the words of a man who has needlessly handed a gift on a plate to any future Labour candidate he stands against. That's why ignoring them is impossible. It's much like being told by an Islamicist loon, 'please ignore my ravings about the need to establish a universal caplihate in order that we might put an end to the sin of female secondary education, but instead concentrate on my otherwise sane words about e.g. the need to build up civic society in the Middle East'. You really can't have it both ways - you wrote this piece, you're obliged to stand by what you put in it. *You* shared your 'vision' with us, and it was an extraordinarily foolish thing to do.

Perhaps if I ask you, 'can you imagine any serious, mainstream politician sharing a similar vision with us?' you will reflect on what the undoubted answer - 'No! Never, not in a million years' - tells us about the fact that you did.

Paul Oakley

Fight! Fight! Fight!


I slightly hope not. I know nothing about Ben Rogers, having been too lazy even to google him. So all I know is that he's once upon a time candidate, and, odds on keen on being a future candidate (or Scriptor OptimateDomus to give them their technical name). Being boringly keen on Conservaties winning elections, I'd on the whole prefer our would-be candidates not to have a penchant for publishing flagrant guff of the rankest sort. It really doesn't help.

Ben Rogers

Dear ACT, you really have got your knickers in a twist, haven't you - and you still insist on using a pseudonym. Your latest response is most peculiar - I do stand by what I wrote, I was simply trying to put it in context. You paint me as someone whose political stand is regularly informed by such experiences, while I tried, patiently and calmly, to respond to your over-the-top rant by explaining that first of all my opinion on this subject is informed by a wide range of reading, thinking and conversation, and that this vision simply confirmed rather than informed my thoughts, and secondly that this is the only time it has ever happened. As I said in the article, it is the first time I have ever shared it publicly. I regret the fact that it has sent you doo-lally, and has obscured the rest of the article - and Ed Husain's powerful story - in your mind. That I do regret. But you are clearly rather intellectually lazy, since you leap to a judgment on me and on the book without considering the rest of the article or, as you say yourself, without doing any research on me. I don't know who you are, but any person involved in politics who leaps to such judgment without drawing on a range of research and information is really rather shallow - and dangerous. If you are not willing to consider the much much more serious issue of extremist Islamism and the threat it poses, and would prefer to be engaged in narrow, irrational, unbalanced and judgmental remarks, then I feel very sorry for you.

Simon Newman

I expect such anxiety dreams are pretty widepread in times of national anxiety, such as currently, and quite normal. I don't think this review was a good place to mention it, since it distracts attention from the substance of the review.


Ben, stop digging. Better yet, stop dreaming. And if you can't do that, at the very least, stop telling the rest of us about them.


Well done Ben excellent piece, I am going to order the book today and lend it to as many people as possible. This great danger that we face has been ignored for too long and the country as you put it has been asleep. These Islamists may be fanatical but they should also wake up to the fact that when one looks at the history of these islands, we are not a nation to attack lightly.

Andrew Ian Dodge

Nice review...just ordered the book from Amazon. Seems like a fascinating read.

The Beard

Sounds like an important book...and thanks Ben for raising its profile.

As Mohammed relied on murderous violence, led with violence, and as he is the model for Islam, then how can Islam separate itself from violence?

Christ, the Lamb of God, is the model of peace.


But how can we fight Islamic extremism without attacking civil liberties, e.g. freedom of speech?

One option is to withdraw citizenship and residency rights granted to extremists who arrived here in recent years. We could then deport them.

It is unlikely any pary has the guts to do it for fear of losing votes and being accused of racism.

Enoch Powell was right. The rivers of Britain will be foaming with the blood of the victims of Islamofascism unless action is taken now.

Simon Newman

"But how can we fight Islamic extremism without attacking civil liberties, e.g. freedom of speech?"

We have done it before, by enacting specific targetted measures against the threat (eg Nazism, here Islamism) rather than general measures that attack the liberty of everyone. My impression though is that it's seen as being more 'liberal' to reduce the liberty of everyone than to discriminate against a particular group, no matter how threatening.


Excellent review, Ben!

There's nothing wrong with sharing your vision, and it was brave of you to do so. Whether it was psychological or spiritual, only a die-hard materialist would object.

I'm sure many people would relate to the vision, and how it pictures potential dangers today, whatever they think of the source of the vision.

Ben Rogers

Thank you very much Christina. I was certainly reluctant to share the 'vision', but I felt it was so important that I should, and this seemed the best context. I understand that it sounds strange to people. It sounds strange to me too. But I don't believe one can just dismiss such things as 'psychological' or the result of 'anxiety'. I am not a terribly anxious person, and even the issue of terrorism, while a big cause of concern, does not make me 'anxious'. I believe there is a spiritual dimension to life, and it's a shame that people like ACT can't see that. I don't believe one should take 'visions' and 'pictures' on their own, but one should weigh them up against other, more 'rational' proven evidence. If there is no complementary more 'rational' evidence, then maybe others are justified in thinking that a person might be a bit of a fruitcake - though not necessarily. But if, as in the case of Islamism, there is masses of well-researched documentary evidence, then I think one can take a vision of this kind as a valuable spiritual insight.


I found this article very persuasive. The book it summarises reveals some important truths. The vision can be considered separately, according to one's take on such things, but I do not think it can take away from the gravity of the situation we are facing.

It appears that we have been very badly let down by our government. The enemy is within and we can only ready ourselves for the dreadful prospects to come.

How we deal with it I do not know. I can only hazard a guess that society will fracture and vigilantes will come to the fore. It is much more difficult than rounding up a few Germans and Nazi sympathisers was in 1939. I doubt that the government has the will or the courage to try to deal with them, or even to repeal the Human Rights legislation which prevents them. With today's open borders extremists are still pouring in and there is nothing we can do about it.

An excellent article, but I suspect the government will sit on their hands until much more blood has been spilt.

Sally Roberts

Ben this is a fascinating review and I have just ordered the book from Amazon to read it and make up my own mind! I think the scenario is frightening - very frightening indeed! The problem of course is not Islam itself but "Islam-ISM" - in other words,a perverse, anti-democratic fundamentalism that regards all other forms of Islam as heresy and moderate Muslims as "unbelievers". Britain has slept and has sleepwalked its way to disaster. How we find the way out is anyone's guess!



My name is Niall yours is Benedict so no hiding and as you can guess we're both Catholic.

You had a VISION IN A CHURCH and you shared it with the world!

As ACT pointed out politely you have given any selection committe member or political opponent all they need to destroy you.

You are a prospective Tory candidate your words have been copied by Labour for use for all eternity.

It was not brave it was stupid. The nuance will be ignored all that will be shouted out is that you see visions. Visions of nasty muslims at that.

Let me be blunt. You might as well have said 'I see dead people'.

Stick a fork in yourself your done.


Excellent review Ben, at last some one who understands what is happening, that it is spiritual as well as material.

As this country has become more selfish and materialistic, we have become fixed on the short term, (We want it now at what ever cost to the future.) we have lost sight of the long term. It does not matter to Fundamental Islam if it takes 5 or 50 years to take over it will. Unless we take heed and do what is required it could come to pass. If we act now the cost will be relatively low, leave it and the cost increase, to the point were a major war will happen. No more appeasement as we did with the Nazis. Do we have the moral strength for the sacafice required?

There are some people out there how will not understand what is happened even when they are forced to their knee’s with the alternative ‘Convert or Die.’ Most of these will be from the PC / Liberal types who have done nothing to stop Fundamental Islam, they will look for others to protect them but they would have gone before. (They came for the....)

Final Point : Britain has always acted as the bulwark of democracy, if we fall to Islam, Europe will follow and a new Dark age will come in.


Well, the Pope's aide recently warned about the decrease of Christian births and increase of Muslim births in Europe. I guess Niallster will have to fall out with the Pope now.

I think if God does give a vision like that, then it probably is for sharing, as it isn't a vision of the future, but a warning about what could happen.

This doesn't mean I think it was from God definitely, and I think Ben it would be best to talk with a Priest who has experience of Spiritual Directorship. I have stories of monks who have been led astray with this kind of thing, as well as visions which have actually happened, and have been good ones.

Ben Rogers

Sally Roberts is absolutely correct - what we are talking about here is Islamism, not Islam - and indeed Ed Husain demonstrates in his book that it is very possible to find a moderate, peaceful, spiritual, tolerant form of Islam in Sufi-ism.

Niallster, I am actually not Catholic, despite my name! I was accompanying a Catholic friend to Mass. I don't actually agree with the rest of your entry, but I think that is clear from my responses to ACT so no need to repeat myself.

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