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TomTom

According to Austrian business cycle theory, the extra money artificially lowers interest rates and encourages investment in capital goods despite the lack of real savings.

Now let me rain on your parade. Maybe international currency flows are not your thing, but since the British introduced The Gold Standard in the early 19th Century, major currencies have been in essence bankers to the global economy.

Until 1914 it was the British Pound Sterling which upset the Americans and encouraged The Bi-metallism debate with William Jennings Bryan in 1896.

Since the US Dollar supplanted the Pound on a fixed Gold Parity until 1971 and continued in a floating relationship to be the global reserve currency until today; it has been the role of Central Banks to manage a currency where huge balances are outside their control being in places like China or Eastern Europe.

Even BUBA with the tightest monetary base control in Europe could not control the D-Marks in Serbia, Russia or much of Eastern Europe............the Germans never wanted Reserve Currency status because of the damage it does to Domestic Credit Expansion............that is one reason the Euro was an option to function as a reserve currency without seeing European currencies in competition.

The idea of 100% reserve backing is a funny one since it essentially means no Government borrowing, and reduces society to a cash economy thus shrinking GDP enormously.

It would mean noone could build the Olympic Stadium unless first the Governnent increased taxes to produce the £8-12bn cash balances and such things as mortgages would be redundant.

There would be no portfolio theory, no hedging, no arbitrage, and no credit. In fact we can see such a system in action today. If you live on a housing estate say in Dagenham or Tower Hamlets or Buttershaw - you might find it impossible to get credit and can only draw upon what you deposit.

So let us examine living standards on these estates and contrast them with those who draw credit and live in owner-occupied housing with high debts say in Holland Park

Umbrella Man

Absolutely crazy idea. Why is CH even hosting it? ..... 'Vote Tory For A Recession' !!

aristeides

Er, what are the good points?

TomTom

Let us go further and look at the identity Y = C + S

WHy do people save under your system Richard Jenner ? They would only save if they cannot Consume - but what consumption would they forego - food ? Health ? Sewage ?

This leads us to the old 'Pool of Savings' doctrine and the Pigouvian Real Balance Effect whereby all factor prices are fully flexible and Full Employment is the norm.

The Austrian School blames Unemployment on human intervention seeing a natural balance in the economy which is caused by monetization.

It is the idea of 'Money as a Veil' that causes them to functionally separate Product and Money Markets as if the economy has a natural rate of expansion which bankers should finance, neither more nor less.

In fact Friedman had a good piece of work in the Permanent Income Hypothesis
trying to explain the Consumption Function which flies in the face of your notions of 100% reserve backing as opposed to fiduciary issue.

You will find that the economy described by the Austrian School was essentially a simple economy based on primary and secondary industry with limited number of sectors. Since a large part of the employment in the United Kingdom - and of Corporation Tax revenues come from financial services sectors these would disappear under 100% reserve banking.

There would be no LBOs, MbIs, or PFIs, or Gilts, or Pensions, or Investment.......and Friedman's theoretical postulates of expanding money supply at the pace of natural expansion of the economy are just that - theoretical - a kind of Monetary Just In Time procedure...........

It ignores lags in the economy and is why Friedman's more extreme nostrums re-packing the Fisher Equation MV=PT in a modern form, failed in implementation.

It would be good if you would read A Treatise on Money by J.M. Keynes (1930) and The Economic Consequences of Mr Churchill (1925) before proceeding to look at works by Harry Johnson and Don Patinkin..............

aristeides

"What would be the technicalities of initially shrinking the money supply i.e. which loans and investments would have to be liquidated?"

Other than rioting, collapse of the government, collapse of the legal system due to mass bankruptcy, and widespread suicide, there would be few technicalities.

pl

You people are all nuts. Rioting? Collapse of government? Mass bankruptcy? Suicide?

All because it would be a lot harder for people to borrow a lot of money?

How about this benefit: massively lower rate of inflation and hence debasement of the currency and people's savings.

I can't believe you really think the consumer society is the best we can do!

Unbelieveable.

aristeides

"How about this benefit: massively lower rate of inflation and hence debasement of the currency and people's savings."

I don't see how a debasement of the currency and people's savings is a benefit. I am not sure you quite meant that either but that is in fact what would happen. Given the practical impossibility of being able to borrow to invest, capital would fly out of the country causing a run on the pound. Along with the attractive sounding recession, this would certainly be an antidote to the consumer society we Tories should apparently be opposing. Did you ever go to Russia before 1990? It was quite like that too.

Jonathan Powell

I'm not impressed with this idea at all, mainly because it confuses a government created fiat money system with fractional banking. The latter is a free market innovation which makes the banking system more efficient. In order to make this policy a reality it would require government intervention to outlaw fractional banking. There would probably emerge a black market in which fractional banking went "under-ground".

Personally, I would be more inclined to back a system of free-banking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_banking

which is what Friedman advocated in later life.


The idea of 100% reserve backing is a funny one since it essentially means no Government borrowing, and reduces society to a cash economy thus shrinking GDP enormously.

It would mean noone could build the Olympic Stadium unless first the Governnent increased taxes to produce the £8-12bn cash balances and such things as mortgages would be redundant

I don't see how this follows at all. Surely the government could still issue bonds?

Fred

Completely bonkers. Why not suggest bringing back the Church's prohibition against usury, and abolish paper money in favour of the silver penny as well? Then we can return to the fanastic prosperity of the middle ages.

ToMTom

I don't see how this follows at all. Surely the government could still issue bonds?

Posted by: Jonathan Powell | November 29, 2006 at 11:03 AM

How ?

Government Bonds for the asset-base of the banking system and they are completely uncovered IOUs. The most basic bond is one which states I Promise To Pay the Bearer On Demand and banknotes are non-interest bearing government bonds.

The purchasers of Gilts essentially use them to create the Reserve Asset Ratio and leverage their own lending. Government Bonds coupled with T-Bills expands the asset base of the banks, just as PFI is now doing by providing asset-backed lending with government guarantee

TomTom

"What would be the technicalities of initially shrinking the money supply i.e. which loans and investments would have to be liquidated?"

Try reading Kindelberger - or Harold James...........then look at Germany 1925-1932 when GDP fell 30% or even the US 1929-1939...............it might be worth looking at the death of Benjamin Strong in 1928 and how the Fed then reversed policy leading to a liquidity problem for banks like Goldman, Morgan Guaranty etc..............and how they used mutual fund cash reserves to offload their shareholdings so individual investors could carry losses...............I bet Macquarrie Bank wouldn't do that

Milton

I think this is an excellent idea.

It's just the kind of the out-of-the-box thinking which David Cameron needs to endorse.

After his great 'Tosser' campaign, this is exactly the kind of well-thought-through policy we need to link our broad macro- policy to a coherent micro- policy.

Don't worry about the nay-sayers, Richard.

Richard

"Don't worry about the nay-sayers, Richard."

I'm not, I always knew this idea was going to get savaged because a)it's supported by only a minority of Austrian school economists and b)there is the big question that even I find hard to answer about incentives to save. Perhaps the answer would be government injections of money that affected the whole economy equally, although how this would work in practice I have no idea.

The usual Austrian retort is that "the amount of money does not matter, the economy will adapt itself through decreasing prices" etc.

Anyhow, I thought the idea should be given a hearing.

angry economist

100% reserve banking is completely insane as everyone suggests. It would result in a massive reduction in liquidity and in the ability to speculatively lend, borrow or trade (in anything).

Essentially you are proposing to go against one of the age old sayings "if it aint broke don't fix it". The current system is working well, and in the UK we have had encouraging stability from this.

Matthew Sinclair

The problem with a massive contraction in the money supply is that the flexibility the Austrians rely on just doesn't exist. Essentially, you would be imposing what happened in the Great Depression in the US (thanks to a rising reserve ratio due to lack of confidence in banks) on yourself. The problem has been highlighted by a great many people starting with Friedman and proceeding to Bernanke.

Mark Wadsworth

A slightly less radical is as follows: Bank of England (remaining under state ownership for time being) becomes like any other bank. What do banks hate? Inflation, recessions and asset price bubbles.

So if it does its job well;
- there'll be less of all these things,
- no stupid "targets" whatsoever (why target one narrow measure of inflation? Why set target rate at 2%?)
- it will make money that can be returned to taxpayer, and finally
- when appropriate it can be privatised (again benefitting taxpayer).

Adam

This measure would not have to result in a recession. The government could gradually raise the reserve ratio over time until it reaches 100%.

The Good:

1. Society would become much more stable without the money supply constantly shrinking and growing as people deposit and withdraw money from banks. In other words, no money multiplier affected by the velocity of money.

2. No more bank runs, no more bailing out of banks.

3. No more debt society. In the U.S. the average American has a negative savings rate because debt is so cheap!

The Bad:

1. Fractional-reserve banking subsidizes the banking industry (by allowing them to rake in profits from the money multiplier). This makes the financial sector of the economy over bloated. Therefore, if a 100% reserve ratio were imposed the banking industry would inevitably shrink leading to frictional unemployment.

2. Banking services would cost more because no longer can they pay for their offered services by lending out your money to other people.

3. (biggest concern by critics but overblown) There would be far less investment in society b/c no loner would banks act as an intermediary to leverage out all the savings in the country. However, it is my belief that new institutions would rise to take the role of directing money towards investment. For instance, money market funds would take a more prominent role. Nobody is going to sit on their money! everybody wants a rate of return so it will be invested somehow.

4. The interest rate would temporarily go up until new investment institutions are formed during the readjustment.

Summary:

The negative mostly has to do with adjustment costs. The positive would help stabilize capitalism. The free market, if set up correctly is extremely stable, and its set up wrong right now! Historically people have practiced fractional reserve banking with wheat and they were criminalized! And yet, we allowed people to do it with gold and now paper money.

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