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Richard

Sorry for third post, just thought of more to say!

Seeing as businesses have an intesrest in an educated workforce it is highly likely that under a purely private system they would contribute in areas where it might be difficult to raise money (plus it would look good for their corporate image). I suspect that businesses would be less wasteful with their money and more determined to see a decent return on their investment.

Obviously I wouldn't advocate putting this in a manifesto but I suspect that if the state does depart from education (in both control and funding) it will be due to the efforts of the little platoons on the ground creating their own alternatives, despite Mr Brown's attempt to stifle enterprise and initiative.

The problem with allowing the government to retain control over funding is that it still has a powerful hold over schools and can use the funding to justify administrative interference. True, nothing could stop a determined government renationalising a completely private system but it would be much much harder.

Lastly, I just think the government should get off our backs and let us decide how we want our children educated and how we intend to spend the money in doing so.

Matt Davis

It is a shame that no-one contributing to this thread has mentioned the key point which, as supposedly Conservatives, we ought to be looking for from any change to our present education systems. It is:

A proper action plan to remove the inbuilt left wing indoctrination that occurs within both our education and teacher training establishments.This matter remains the nettle that Thatcherism failed to grasp and unless addressed effectively will lead to another generation of young people already indoctrinated with the lefts various articles of faith as if they were facts.

Yet Another Anon

A proper action plan to remove the inbuilt left wing indoctrination that occurs within both our education and teacher training establishments.
Transfer all LEA's to private companies limited by guarantee with members of Industry, the churches, the police and the military on the boards.

Also requiring them to charge tuition fees to cover costs for which there could be low interest loans available repayable by parents in the same was Student Loans are repayable by University Students, where parents were failing to arrange the education of their children the state would arrange where the education was to take place and charge the parents the costs.

Yet Another Anon

I'm afraid I have to disagree completely with your idea. Future generations will already have to pay future pensions, the re-payments on the PFI deals cooked up by Brown and many other liabilities piled on them by this government. Can we reasonably ask them to pay for their own education too?
It would be the parents who would have to repay it and the money saved could be reduced from General Taxation or used to fund higher Defence Spending, higher National Security spending, higher police spending and higher spending on R&D.

Alison Anne Smith

This would serve no purpose. So No.

ps. "contribute to making kids" they are called children, you sound like Blair !

Denis Cooper

"Transfer all LEA's to private companies limited by guarantee with members of Industry, the churches, the police and the military on the boards."

I particularly like the idea of the police and the military controlling schools.

Any parental complaints about the way the school is run and the first visit is from the constabulary. Persistent complaints, and it's the SAS and a pile of bodies.

Fred Baker

Every year of Labour’s reign has seen schools pushed about by incentives and schemes of one sort or another. The latest is exams with multiple choice answers and “Can do” tests.

Schools need a rest from all this. We need to listen to the Headmasters Conferences and not make any changes that will give any extra work to staff.

There is one problem that could be tackled and that is for those students who had enough of education by year eleven. These kids take up more then enough of staff time.

There should be apprentice or early BTech schemes for them to take up.

Patsy Sergeant

I am afraid I have to disagree with this idea. If you don't teach a young mind that it is worthwhile learning at a young age, how on earth are they going to suddenly come to this conclusion when they are nearly into adolescence?

My mother started her own little school in the fifties, she started off with children as young as three, (shock horror by todays laz standards), at first - according to the individual childs abilities - they started to play - constructively. Then they learned - both sexes - to tie laces, to fasten hooks and eyes, and do up buttons, among other things, everything was awarded with stars, the best of course being a gold star. It was roughly the Montessori method of teaching, then when they reached about 4yrs, she started to teach them, writing, sums, reading etc. These children WITHOUT exception went on to become head of their schools, or other sorts of grading. Why, because she taught them that learning can be INTERESTING!! Nobody in the state system teaches that these days - it seems to me!!

By the way my mother is still alive and she will be 97yrs old this year!!!

Kevin Davis

Patsy,

the fact is that the most successful education systems in the world do not teach children from such an early age. It is left to parents to do it. As Conservatives we should be supporting the family and this policy would do it.

tapestry

Start teaching children young and they will be less creative and inventive, but more programmable and better servants to a system. Take your pick. Parents shouild choose. Society needs a good mix of risk-takers and system builders - but certainly not all the same.

Richard

"Parents shouild choose. Society needs a good mix of risk-takers and system builders - but certainly not all the same."

Indeed. The emphasis should be on encouraging diversity in education provision by giving parents as much say as possible and giving the state as little as possible. Will Cameron seriously consider vouchers though?

Patsy Sergeant

Kevin Davis in an ideal world of course parents could be relyed upon to start their off-springs education, but how many 'ideal families' do we have in this country these days of endless one parent families, some with an endless procession of 'step-fathers' or just plain 'boy-friends' invading their 'space'. And exactly HOW can any government even a conservative one turn things around quickly enough to prevent another and another generation of 'lost' and ill-directed children hanging around the streets????

And Tapestry @ 10.58pm yesterday, as I said in my post my mother taught her pupils from a young age, BUT SHE TAUGHT THEM TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES, they didn't become slaves just because they started to learn young. Some people these days seem to think that unless a child is being rebellious, or self-opionated, that it must be being smothered. It is POSSIBLE for a child to be reasonably behaved, to be 'socialised' as it is put nowadays, and yet to be at the same time incredibly original. Talent doesn't have to be gauged by how easily you manage to get faymous a la 'Peaches' etc:, that means absolutely nothing!

Annabel Herriott

How do people think that the system of Nursery/kindergarten, then primary, then

MIDDLE school, 9 to 13, THEN senior school, when it wont be a small fish suddenly cast into a huge pool. it is being done already, here and there. Dont agree with a late start though. there are not enough stable families any more. If a child is not "yours" do you have the same committment??
Its a pity "they" stopped the apprentice system. I bet dissaffected lads would come to pretty quick if it was the nut and bolts of a practical career they were going to school for, be it electrics, plumbing, b ricklaying joinery etc. etc. and IT to go with it. Kitchens are designed on a computer these days.

Mike Christie

"It would be the parents who would have to repay it and the money saved could be reduced from General Taxation or used to fund higher Defence Spending, higher National Security spending, higher police spending and higher spending on R&D"

This is where we disagree, educating children isn't just the responsibility of parents, it is a duty of a civillized society. The nation as a whole benefits if every child is educated and able to maximise the use of their abilities.

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It's in fact very complicated in this busy life to listen news on TV, so I only use web for that reason, and get the hottest news.

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