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Fred Baker

"Testing takes valuable time from learning."

That phrase stirred people up! There were no SATs tests when I sat GCE, which involved a lot more than the modern GCSE. The short tests are all well and good but SATs, they are a different matter. Often even the questions are intelligible!

"KEY STAGE 3
SATs take place in May 2nd to 5th 2006 and are once again formal tests/exams. The exams cover work done in English, maths and science ………..”

“Formal Examinations” – they are. That could be some three months taken out of learning time!

Richard

"Oh I fully agree Richard - so long as they pay the whole cost of running the school. Otherwise, why should a person's taxes pay to promote a religion they disagree with. This problem dates back to the 19th century and we have still not found a solution. "

Agreed. I'm in favour of the privatisation of all religious schools (and other schools). Suffice to say though that will lose us the election.

I suppose insofar as parents of children at church schools pay taxes they are paying indirectly for their childrens education.

Richard

And speaking of education I'm aware I missed an apostrophe in my last post.

Thomas Hobbes

"Often even the questions are intelligible!"

Too true Fred. The maths papers often have references to rare birds because the chief paper setter is a bird watcher!

Fred Baker

"Buddhism and pagan Hinduism are placed alongside Christianity as equals."

I would go along with that. Anyway Buddhism is not a religion. And there is no evidence of a God.

Sex education leads to sex and drug education leads to drug taking.

If kids are taught it, they think they have to do it! The sad thing is that homosexuality is taught to twelve year olds. Half of them get the idea that they may be that way inclined!

David Banks

and whats wrong with being gay , or thinking that you may be that way inclined?

Thomas Hobbes

Don't know about you Fred, but no matter how old I was and regardless of how many lesson I went to I wouldn't fancy having another man do that to me!

As the real Thomas Hobbes said - a man judges the likely behaviour of other men by what goes on in his own head.

Editor

We're getting off the subject of the thread folks!

Fred Baker

Julia Manning is correct “less testing as in "Formal Examinations” is required”. The Headmistress of our “top of the borough” Primary School has said so – say no more.
In Primary schools SATs are a distraction.

As Julia says they have become “pressurised exams”. My reckoning is that some couple of months is spent revising for these in secondary schools. For what avail – to decide on which subjects the pupils will take for GCSE. The attitude of children changes by the day. SATs are a distraction in both Primary and Secondary Schools.

Julia has given this policy some consideration. Vote “YES less testing”

Matt Davis

Rather than test on a random subject it would be a lot better to initiate some kind of primary level "General Studies" type curriculum area that contained the basics of History, Geography and Modern Languages but also tied them all together so that they can be tested. For example one year as well as the basic building blocks of those subjects pupils nationally might be asked to more deeply learn about, say, France or Germany as real places, with their history, geography and language all taught and learnt about in a joined up holistic way.

Yet Another Anon

There is a problem with there being national standards and a timetable set nationally (and of course national sets of tests imply this) and local independence in running of schools, and the same is true of hospitals, obviously there needs to be some kind of monitoring of what is going on in schools - for one thing to make sure that criminal\terrorist activity is not being encouraged (that includes in non-state schools), if teachers are teaching things poorly or teaching what is patently incorrect .

Do kids really need to be taught drama - surely that's an extra-curricular activity.
and in fact most actors including theatrical actors didn't pursue studies in it formally, most theatrical actors went to Drama school later - most of the most successful actors and script writers\directors etc... never studied Drama as a subject, the most talented actors, dancers, directors get their talent from general life experiences.

Alison Inglis-Jones

It's all brilliant, select this woman for a safe seat now......

Editor

Is that an order, Alison? lol, Tim

Lisa

I used to be a teacher, but now hold the view that for many families schools no longer need to play an important part in our children's education. We live in an information rich society and can find out anything we need from the internet and people in the community. There should be more community based learning centres where children can choose what they are interested in and attend classes of their choosing. This way they are more likely to enjoy learning and want to pursue their interests.
We focus on the 3Rs far to early in this country, children should be children and need to have more time to play. Reading and writing should not be such a big thing in the early stages. Literacy should be enhanced through play until the age of seven or older if the child is not ready. Reading should be a fun, relaxed activity that is enjoyable. Many children and indeed adults who have been through our ridiculus National Curriculum would not pick up a book for pleasure because they have been turned off from reading at an early age.

I strongly believe that testing children at all ages is not helpful for them unless they have chosen to be tested themselves.

Schools should change their approach from teacher led to child led. It is much easier to remember things that you have discovered yourself than stuff you have been force fed.
We have in this country teenagers who are totally fed up with learning, it is hardly surprising when they have been institutionalised for a large part of their life with little input into the type education they wish to follow.
It is only after leaving school that education really begins. I beleive that sending your child to school is a big risk and that if you are dedicated to the education of your children, it is much safer to educate your children at home and in the community.
visit: http://www.educationotherwise.org/
website for more information if you are interested in finding out more.
living is learning,
Lisa

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