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Oh, goody gumdrops. We finally get to experience social-democracy as you all have lived it since WWII. I mean, what's not to love? It's worked out so well for you. I look forward to being added to a waiting list for life-saving medical care that I have previously not had to wait for. Lest you think that I am one of the Evil Rich, I make less than $40,000 per year. Yet, under The Obamessiah's plan, my employer will not be able to afford to continue my healthcare and I'll be forced onto the government health dole. Great. Let's be freaking Sweden. They have it so good there.
HopeChange, comrades!

Nice spin DC. :)

Now all we need is our candidate for change to win.

Congratulations USA. As Serf said, bring on OUR candidate of change. We are ready.

Just once David Cameron should have resisted an opportunity to make a party political point and simply have congratulated Barack Obama. But no, even this historic moment, has to be used by Cameron.

American voters have overwhelmingly voted against seeing their jobs shipped overseas, hopefully David Cameron will now see that the era of unfettered free-trade is at an end and will look at ways to defend British business from being undercut by sweatshop labour from the East?

johnstlouis, I have no hesitation in saying that you are a complete onanist, & the pleasure of this election is that the electorate have rejected idiocy like yours!

Let's not lower the tone thank you Asquith.

But no, even this historic moment, has to be used by Cameron.

He's a politician - why should he have said anything different when Brown was heaping on the praise? We can see how much the UK likes Obama, so it would be daft to ignore that.

Sorry Tim, but I think you're more aware than most that a lot was riding on this.

I simply do not believe all these memes about how Obama will be a disaster. Bill Clinton wasn't a disaster, nor will he be.

Little is going to change really, but at least things won't get actively worse. I also regarded it as of the utmost importance that the Sarah Palin tendency was defeated.

For Cameron to even infer a comparison with his good self and Obama is laughable. Outside of this small world of partisanship the UK is not clamouring for change or furiously anti-Brown in the way that the US was. And while both Obama and Cameron have not spelt out what they actually plan to do this is because Obama has the luxury of not having to until in office whereas Cameron just seems to change his mind and policies every couple of months- there is an abiding hope in the UK that someone other than the current bland cynical politicians will stand up and inspire the nation. It won't be Cameron, despite a likely victory.

This is a good day, as it may progress things in the world, I've been impressed by how got an Orator Obama is, Cameron needs to take some tips. In Britain our politicians seem to have a rule book on how they communicate with the public, this has lead to a bland, disjointed and oddly alien feeling when watching and listening to our politicians. US politics doesn't seem to suffer this as much, does anyone else feel this? Also their speeches seem to be aimed at the public, rather than aimed at the media. Even though the American deocractic process does my head in, thank God its over!, introducing public debates would be something I think the party should demand. PMQ's is an entertaining weekly brawl but its not god enough. Our politics is kept behind doors, in Palaces or hidden in offices, we need to bring it out to the public, but this has to start in the community, greater devolution to town halls, elected mayors, people need to feel that have a say in the running of their street, their town and their country.

Asquith

Thats was unworthy of you.

In your ridiculous euphoria over electing a black man (so what) you have forgotten that this word 'change' was HIS slogan to get elected. If it works for the Tories then adopt the same tactic but of course it's complete cr*p.

looks lets just say it as it is

Mcain Fine
Obama Fine
Biden errr ok fine
Palin Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Thanks god she is no where near the white house she amkes Dubya look like a moderate

An excellent idea from Cameron, to link the Obama win to the 'change' needed in this country. He should goad Brown with this at PMQs today.

McCain is a decent guy, but sadly he forfeited the right to be President when he chose Palin.

Today is not a day for celebration. Today is a day to be very worried. The American people have rejected experience and have elected someone simply based on the colour of their skin.

Throughout the whole election campaign Obama hardly mentioned policy and when he did those polices will be very damaging, not just to America but to the rest of us. This is a man who wants to raise taxes and talk to terrorists after all!

The Conservative Party has in recent time suffred the same problem and has been promoting people simply because they are gay, black, female of Muslim. This is very sad as many talented people have been cast aside as a result.

Now we have an inexperienced president of the worlds only super power, elected not because of his policies or his track record, but simply because he was a black man who could string a sentence together.

I personally could not care less whether politicians go to bed with someone of the same or the opposite sex; whether they are Muslim, Jew or Christian; male or female; young or old; able bodied or disabled and I couldn't care less whether they are black; brown; white; yellow or pink with purple spots! What I wanted are talented people articulating sensible policies that can get the world out of the mess we are currently in.

The Conservative Party elected David Cameron on a pure message of change and that was okay when times were good, but now that times are tough he and his inexperienced team have been found seriously wanting.

Look at all those female Labour MPs elected in 1997 as a result of all women shortlists. Most have been found to be very, very poor MPs and maany are now no longer in Parliament.

When talent, experience and a track record are cast aside and race, sexuality, gener and religion dominate, it is a time for us all to be very worried. We live in a dangerous and unstable world with huge problems at home and abroad. Now is not the time for a novice!

As David says, he is the British Obama.

Change to win!

I can't ahve been the only Brit to shed a tear during Obama's acceptance speech, can I? DC's response was perfectly appropriate - have to heard GB dripping unctiousness all over the place this morning?
just want to pick up up on one point. Devolution of power to Town Halls. Sorry, but in my experience, by the time the political talent has been skimmed off by Parliament, County, District or Unitary, there are, with few exceptions, few brain cells left to run the Town Council. There are however plenty of opportunities for local emnities to flourish virtually unfettered. The real power is best used at County and District level, and that's another discussion.

This is America's Blair moment. Has everybody forgotten the mass hysteria which swept Blair to power in 1997? He, too, followed an unpopular leader.

Then what happened?

The public response to the latter weeks of the Obama campaign and his election as President show all the signs of mass hysteria rather than logical thought processes.

He's too good to be true.

A new day has dawned, has it not?

That may be so Dr Roberts, but Blair went on to win three general elections, After 1997 the Conservative party swung to the right as I think the GOP might do, in which case they will lose again and again. For some reason this seems to be the last decade of British polics having its deja vu moment in the US.

Am I the only one who is fed up already today with sychopantism(if that is a word) and obsequiousness of the BBC (Barack Broadcasting Corporation) albeit entirely predictable. I had to re-tune earlier than normal to Claasic FM.

Obama may have a good majority in the electoral college but is 52% to 48% on popular vote a landslide? We should remember that the electoral system is heavily weighted against us, i.e a 10% lead is needed for us to get a majority etc.

Of course racism has played a part, with Obama getting 97% of the black vote - similar figures to those in North Korea and Iraq although I do accept that the US figures are accurate.

I do think a lot of people are taken in by Obama's rhetoric - he is a good actor and has imaginative speech writers. The Yes We can is surely copyright of Bob the Builder.

Finally thank goodness I will be out the house for about 10 hours today for the Arsenal match rather than having to endure the ecstatic BBC reporters all day long.

I've heard a lot of Obama saying 'change', but 'change' what exactly?

Asquith - I simply do not believe all these memes about how Obama will be a disaster. Bill Clinton wasn't a disaster, nor will he be."

Two points:
1) Faith is all that's available since Obama hasn't made clear what he will do in office. (The only firm commitment I've heard from him is a puppy for his daughters this morning ).
2) The sub-prime mortgage crisis was created by Bill Clinton as was the perceived weakness of America that lead to all the wars currently ongoing.

My guess is were looking at a new Jimmy Carter - and we all know how well that went ...

But I'd like to hear less of the vague "Change", "Fairness" meme's from our politicians and more of what they will do, why they will do it, and what's makes them think it will work. But 'm not overly optimistic we'll get it.

I do feel some of the rhetoric of A.Blair Esq when I listen to Obama speak. Let's hope for all our sakes that Obama proves to be a more principled,better man.

The challenge to the Conservative is now to prove that they are the change that Britain needs. Its time to do more than just say that the Conservatives will spend the same as a failed Labour Government but manage it better. Britain needs change that counts in the 21st Century. Change with real direction and principles. So far whether the Conservatives have the vision for our Countries future remains unanswered.

I agree - too good to be true. A man who has never had much of a serious career, a man whose mentors and close associates leave me gasping, a man with few spoken policies - just change.

Surely we have not forgotten the battle cry of change? It comes out of the extreme left.

America is experiencing today what Britain experienced on 1 May 1997. The sense of anti climax, disappointment and eventual anger will also be similar, as they realise that they have also been taken in by a lightweight PR man.

The BBC's coverage of the US election has been a far bigger concern than Jonathan Ross' salary. Any pretence of neutrality was abandoned long ago.

Dimbleby to Justin Obama Webb last night, at about 1am

"How many electoral college votes has Obama got ?"

To which J-O-W replied;

"WE are not quite there yet"

[voice strained].

Andrew Bradley, yes the BBC blanket gushing reporting of Obama's coronation has had me climbing the walls, but then they do have to find something for the 175 reporting team the BBC sent to the US to do, Sky's 40 person team probably had to concentrate on their job than spend time indulging in their politics.

Why did dave have to get his little matra in here instead of just congratulating mr obama.I want to have change dave but i think mr obamas back story had a lot to do with getting those working class us voters out and his upbringing is somewhat different to the big helping hand you had so mr cameron lets have less of how you are both the same.

Posted by: johnstlouis | November 05, 2008 at 06:28
look forward to being added to a waiting list for life-saving medical care that I have previously not had to wait for. Lest you think that I am one of the Evil Rich, I make less than $40,000 per year. Yet, under The Obamessiah's plan, my employer will not be able to afford to continue my healthcare and I'll be forced onto the government health dole. Great. Let's be freaking Sweden. They have it so good there.
HopeChange, comrades!

You'll be pleased to know that your minimum tax saving on $40,000 will be $500 under Obama. If you are lucky enough to "be freaking Sweden", you'll find you have the second best enviromental performance, the best health care system in the world, one of the best levels of education and the highest standards of living. You should be so lucky. Sweden is the model for social democracy.

It's clear than even if Obama personally wrote you a cheque for $100,000 you'd still be miserable about it.

"In these difficult times people everywhere are crying out for change. Barack Obama is the first of a new generation of leaders who will deliver it -"

---and Cameron will be the second?

What are the SIGNIFICANT changes that he'll deliver for there is little of promise so far?

Looks to me as though America has decided that it was definitely time for a novice. Cameron should take heart from this.

It's great to see someone aligned with the Left in the White House, particularly in the face of the global financial crisis. At last we have a trans-Atlantic alliance with a comforatable ideological fit.

It's nice to see Cameron attemptng to score cheap political points when congratulating Obama. Cameron's comparison between a statesman such as Obama and himself is hubristic and risible.

"Barack Obama's victory will give people a new opportunity to look at the United States and see her for what I believe she is - a beacon of opportunity, freedom and democracy."

David Cameron's comment is also true of our modern Conservative Party. The people of the United Kingdom have been enjoying Obama's message of "united" too......

I think that we should remember that the Democrats and Republicans in the US are not like New Labour and the Conservatives over here.
I was irritated by some comments made last night on tv which made it sound as though the Democrats were the same as New Labour over here and that it would strengthen new Labour here!

I am so happy that at last it appears the US have a president in Obama who truly believes in Social Justice and embodies the change the US and the world so desperately needs.

With conservatives like Cameron and Johnson, who needs liberals? Sheesh. Thanks, Dave - you keep the change (to steal a phrase).

I agree with those who fear that Barack Obama, who talks well but has never actually done anything, is Tony Blair Mark 3.

Tony Blair Mark 2 is David Cameron.

Welcome to the age of the celebrity politician.

I nearly missed Obama's weekend message that he planned to close down the coal industry - only picked that up in the US where it was indeed big news but perhaps rather late to affect the result.

What else is he going to close down?

Resident leftie dreams of the socialist promised land of Sweden but forgets to mention that the Swedes have given parents real freedom of choice over the children's schooling. This is of particular benefit to poorer children. McCain supported such a move but Barack Obama would not. He is in hock to the teachers' unions who will fight tooth and nail against real equality of opportunity in America's public schools. Like Labour here, they want to level everyone down to a lowest common denominator which they insultingly call "fairness".

Not all change is good. Let's not build our agenda here in the UK purely upon the cult of change.

Change with a purpose is what we need. Yet what that change is, is not immediately clear with the Obama Presidency. There is an awful lot of vagueness to his platform.

What is clear however is that we now have radical liberals running the White House, Senate and Congress. Not even the dire economy can stop some of what is going to come to pass over the next few years. Expect an orgy of liberalism in America.

No, you boneheaded Cameroons, that is not a nice thing. Unless of course you think bankrupting the country with an ever expanding smorgasbord of entitlements whilst reducing free speech and defence spending simultaneously is good.

Those people who've spent the last few years bashing America may well learn just how much of a force for good the US has been, even with George Bush at the helm. Even if Obama wants to stay engaged, Congress may stop him. The consequences of American disengagement may be profound.

Let us hope that this overwhelming mandate that Americans seem to handed the Dems in the midst of a financial panic lasts no longer than two years.

Let's also hope that the states reassert their powers to confront the bossiness of the federal government. Let's pray for the health and wellbeing of all the members of the Supreme Court.

Over the next two or three years the Republicans must rebuild. I hope that we don't see the internicine warfare between factions of the Party. It is crying out for leadership and needs renewal. The RNC needs to start figuring out what congressional seats to target in 2010. This was not a 50 state victory by any means and the Republicans do have hope, but they must not squander this precious time to rebuild as the Tories did between '97 and '05.

I don't see any prospects with Sarah Palin. Intellectually she's not got it. But she'll make a great Senator for Alaska if Ted Stevens wins and then resigns. That's about her limit.

Instead what we need is a smart, articulate politician without a chip on his or her shoulder a la Bob Dole and a vision that will always sell well in America - freedom and self reliance.

Bobby Jindal is a possibility I suppose, but there needs to be more shopping. Perhaps one lesson from Obama is that the next US Republican President has yet to be elected to national office? Obama hasn't been around that long.

A lot of people on here seem to be missing the big picture.

The change that has to be offered isn't economic stabilty or even environmental change it is social

I am sure there are lotsof people here who canvass on a regular basis but if you operate a target mentatilty you will not know about the deep seated disolousionment (i know spelling is awful) that there is in the very poorest areas not just with Labour or Conservatives but with politics in general.

We are talking baout people whe are earning 10k or just over we are talking about those that want to work but the system has made it so difficualt to work we are tlking about young people who are effectivley homeless who can't raise a depsoit for a flat or who need to retrain but can't because they will lose there benefit.

IDS is spot on when he says social change is what is needed if you took a walk today round some of the poorest estates in England they would not be worried by an impeding recession because they have been living a recession for the last 10 years.

Barack Obama may not be the "real Deal" but like in Britain with what we need to do he offered somthing that the underclasses have not had in a long time Hope. We do need to copy that and we need answers to these problems otherwise we have a far moe serious problem of extremism being letin through the back door.

I am a Cameron Conservative and proud of it because he tackling issues that only the conservatives can.

As for being welcomed to the age of Celebrity Politics that happened 10 years ago with blair the reason it is still around is because likt it or Loathe it your average joe doesn't like a man in a suit but wants somthing a little panash. Professional politicians have just aped that and kept up with the times.

If pople really feel that Cameron is doing such a bad job take a look again at the polls are best leads in my working life.

We face a real challenge as a party of whether we want to take part in the debate and fight on the center ground of whether we want to shrink into ourselves and become political talking shop who all enjoy a drink together as we berate the country once again for voting labour.

Nothing wrong with Hague IDS OR Howard except for the fact they all lost running on an old fashioned right wing tory agenda. Can the country really afford another Labour Government?

Trolls out in force as usual! David Cameron has so far NOT used "no time for a novice". I hope he will soon. The passion for change here is as great as ever that in the USA. Apropo Liebour and the Democratics, Bliar was a bosom pal of Bush and Brown was brought to heel with the same hints from The States regarding certain unspoken skeletons and cupboards.
Since the age relationship follows us from childhood, expect Obama to have much more in common than that strange crowd that pass for a UK Government. Time will tell.
Now, about Glenrothes....................

America is experiencing today what Britain experienced on 1 May 1997. The sense of anti climax, disappointment and eventual anger will also be similar, as they realise that they have also been taken in by a lightweight PR man.

Posted by: London Tory | November 05, 2008 at 09:44

London Tory, you have just described David Cameron the difference is he will be found out well before the general election , it,s already started !

On The Job , politicians would love it to be 'social' then they wouldn't have to deliver on anything, but the very fact that people liked and preferred Conservative policies to any other in the 2005 election flies in the face of your claim of running an 'old fashioned right wing Tory agenda' its just that people didn't care for the Conservative politicians fronting these policies!

We have heard so much about "change" in this country, particularly from Blair, who tried relentlessly to convince us all that "change" of itself was all that was needed to set the world to rights. As others have already pointed out here, "change to what?" is the important question. It seems that there is always an assumption that "change" will be consistently beneficial. Well we know to our cost that this is not the case.
However despite his inexperience at this new and elevated level, Senator Obama is clearly an intelligent man. There is no decision that he will be called upon to make without the advice of the key people that will surround him. It is here that his intelligence, character and judgement will come into play in arriving at the most appropriate answer.
So many of our views about the way he might act in future have been based on the very little he has given away during his campaign; after all there wasn`t much to know before that. Now he will be faced by reality and it would be surprising if some critical event on the international stage did not test him very early on in 2009. Then we will have a better chance to assess his capability and judgement. We must pray that he does not fall short.
There are important parallels to be drawn in the political field here. We shall soon see just how a "novice" can cope in the most difficult job in the world. If he is successful, Brown will have even less hope and will rue the day he dismissed "novices" as unfit for a role on the world stage.

john parkes, too right, look at the NHS that's had lots of 'change'....

Pre 1997 100 local health Authorities weren't good enough for New Labour, they scrapped them for 480 Primary Care Groups. Then in 2002, scraped them for 303 Primary Care Trusts. Then in 2006 scrapped them for 152 Primary Care Trusts, getting back to the position they inherited.

Pre 1997 there were 8 Regional Offices, these weren't good enough for New Labour and in 2002 scrapped them for 28 Strategic Health Authorities, which in 2006 they cut back to 10 Strategic Health Authorities, getting back to the position they inherited/

Pre 1997 there was GP Fund Holding, this wasn't acceptable for New Labour and scrapped them for non market driven Primary Care Groups. Then in 2002 made them partially market driven. Which became in 2006 Market driven Practice based Commissioning, and now Polyclinics

With the result the Labour Governments tyranny of change has left the NHS in a state of such confusion that it struggles to work.

There’s a quote…"We trained very hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams, we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising - and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation…..

which pretty much sums up the con-trick played on us, and unless Obama comes up with some clear policies on which he can be held accountable , then its going to be the same con-trick that US electorate has played on them!

"On The Job , politicians would love it to be 'social' then they wouldn't have to deliver on anything, but the very fact that people liked and preferred Conservative policies to any other in the 2005 election flies in the face of your claim of running an 'old fashioned right wing Tory agenda' its just that people didn't care for the Conservative politicians fronting these policies!"

Hmmmm perhaps you have a point about the elections. The point i was making on that was we concentrated on issues that whilst important laid the door open for claims that we were same old tories(Perhaps I was being a little antagonistic to make the point). I think it is key we deliver on the social issues. Take a walk around some of the worst estates in Britain and you will see that we have to chage things. Sadly Iain your belief that if it was just social politicians could do nothing sums up the problems we have with westminster politicians and to some extent the Conservative Party.

Look at the polls at the moment look at the parties image and you see we are connecting in a way we haven't for a very long time. Win or lose (and i pray it is a win) we are at least a centre right party again.

DCMX - David Cameron is a politician. He wouldn't be very good at his job if he abstained from making political points now, would he?

In any case, DC has the perfect defence against the "no time for a novice" nonsense and that defence will play better with people than Brown's efforts to take advantage of Obama's victory by trying to convince us that it means the centre left is alive and kicking. It isn't, because Obama is no leftist.

This is really very good news for the British Conservative Party, and great news for those of us who want to see America's reputation restored to full health.

Posted by: Michael McGowan | November 05, 2008 at 10:18
Resident leftie dreams of the socialist promised land of Sweden but forgets to mention that the Swedes have given parents real freedom of choice over the children's schooling. This is of particular benefit to poorer children.

Strange you should mention this, but as I've mentioned before, I support the Swedish model. It only works because it insists on the following conditions:

1. No money changes hands, and there are no top-up fees allowed.
2. Selection is entirely random from all applicants.

Anything else is divisive. The best schools attract the most applicants, but your social class is not something over which the school has control, unlike the Tory proposals. That's why it works.

I really hope Obama does not turn out to be the American Blair. I fear a lot of the "change" rhetoric is Blair type sloganing and change for its own sake can be very damaging as we have witnessed here since 97. On the bright side at least they wont have Gordon Brown in charge of their economy.

Tim - right on

Obama is way too slick and way too unspecific.

Sort of like another crew I could think of...

The problem for Cameron is that, unlike Obama, he is unable to connect with all the people. I feel most people switch off when MrCameron talks in his 'plummy' tones about understanding what life is like for hard working families.

The next election will be determined on the issue of the economy. So far, Conservative policy on that front is non existant and George Osborne is seen to be totally inept on this front.

If I was to offer any advice, from a non Tory, replace Osborne with Hague. He is the man for the top job of Shadow Chancellor, not 'Boy George'.

As a Conservative, I felt great sympathy for McCain when listening to his concession speech. The guy should have won the GOP nomination in 2000, not only could he have beaten Gore, he would have spared us all the appalling Bush, Rumsfield and Cheney.

I cannot believe that some US Conservatives are seriously calling for a Palin in 2012 campaign.

I have to say that there are plenty like Obama living in Ireland, close to Blarney. Some of them quite handsome, I'm led to believe but I doubt any of them, either, would make a good president.

As others have asked, where are his policies and "change" change what, exactly?

"That may be so Dr Roberts, but Blair went on to win three general elections," said YMT when I drew attention the American Blair moment.

And Britain just went deeper in the mire following each one. That is what terrifies me about Obama as "leader of the free world". Thank God the USA only permits two terms.

President-elect Barack Obama !

After 8 years of G.W's redneck government it was almost inevitable that the Americans would turn to the democrats for their next leader. However the election of America’s first nominally black president does send a clear message around the globe. At long last there is something good to report about the U.S. and some genuine hope that things will change for the better. Is it good news for the Conservative Party? Certainly “Change” was the most important word in Obama’s campaign. I believe that the Tories can do well on the very same ticket here as many people are ready for a change. However America has chosen to move to the center left rather than the right. The only thing we have in common with the democrats is the colour (er color) Blue. Don’t be fooled Obama is not a conservative he is what American’s call a liberal but what we would recognize as a tax and spend left winger. If Obama is successful in his first couple of years most especially with the economy of the states, the expectation of the British people will be for change to mean real improvement. Can the Tory party deliver a similar atmosphere of change ? I believe that we can, but we also need to deliver policies that can work not rhetoric for its own sake. A lot will depend on the policies that we are asked to explain to the people over the next two years, and frankly we are still waiting for some clear blue water policies to campaign on. David claiming to be the British Obama just will not work. The reality is that the democrats and the Tories are polls apart. It is insulting to the average intelligence, to compare the kind of struggle Obama has triumphed over with the privileged background David has come from. It is foolish to draw such phony comparisons and it is something that should be brought to an end straight away. David is for change but that is were the similarities end.

Well, what a mixed bag of comments! The truth is that the American people are completely fed up with fools in government and there we do not differ.

This country is ruled by fools and another set is waiting in the wings to oust them from power. Yes we need change but not from one potentially disasterous government to another!!!

Since neither candidate in the USA had a clue about the ongoing economic shambles and so forgot to mention it the whole thing was shadow boxing - just like here in fact.

Obama and Cameron both talk of change but neither says WHAT they want to change nor in what direction.

It's politics for dumbed-down idiots.

Resident leftie, why the need to introduce irrelevant nonsense about Tory policies, real (or more likely in your case) imagined? Perhaps you can focs instead on the much more relevant question of why Barack Obama has opposed the Swedish model and thereby condemned American children to substandard schooling.

As for top-ups, you must be heart-broken that Labour has at last relented from its position that it is better for people to die of cancer than to explode the myth that the NHS provides top-quality cancer care free at the point of use.

So once more you delete my comments because it appears to you that I have criticised the Conservative party or it's leadership! So much for freedom of speech, shame on you!!!

This has been a rivetting campaign - long as it has lasted [11 months..] what is worth remembering, and using in our turn? REALLY good fund-raising across the whole of society - not just one 'preferred' sector. A fantastic, well-designed, website with opportunities to donate, volunteer, register to vote, shop - for stickers, lapel pins, tee-shirts designed by designer labels, and art-work designed by leading US poster artists and selling for $250 a time. So much about giving everyone a chance to show their support: and a real feeling of making it happen - not just being told, but actually invited to be the action.
and perhaps most effective of all - the main motif on clothing, stickers, posters, etc was HOPE. what a great leap forward: symbolised by the tears of Jesse Jackson ["how many (black) people died for this to happen.."]

My congaurlations to Barack Obama by winning and making the history in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. CHANGE was the best slogan Obama had choosen which has shown the Social Democracy and have made the history and I am sure Obama will keep his promise and definatly bring changes not only in the UNIED STATES but also to the whole World there would be happiness and peace.
OBAMA'S being an elect 44th.President of the USA will hurt and make uncomfortable to all those POLITICIANS who do not agree with his polices which would be implemented from 2009.I wish Obama the best of luck and sucess in his policies and may God bless him and keep him healthy to implement all of his polices and our DAVID CAMERON could learn something from them about his future.

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being an elect 44th.President


Democracy works because the 'losers' accept that the 'winner' has a mandate from the majority, and so accept their authority to implement their policies. The winners are happy, the losers tollerant. The americans chose Obama as more representative - good luck to him and them.

We on the other hand have Brown - installed by a small cabal (breaking a direct promise by Blair to serve a full term) - implementing policies that have no mandate.

10 Guys arrested for walking near parliament

http://www.order-order.com/2008/11/guys-arrested-searched-and-ticketed.html

If someone never had a mandate, they have nothing to lose. If someone does have a mandate then it should be respected.

Slightly off topic but still....

Brilliant question asked in the Lords yesterday. the so called "Black Wednesday" is frequently raised by Labour as an example of Tory incompetence and was estimated by the Treasury to have cost the country £3.4billion.
The question asked yeaterday was:

'How many tonnes of gold have been sold from the UK reserves since 1 May, 1997; how much revenue was received from the sale of those gold reserves; what would the gold be worth at current prices?'

Answer from Lord Davies of Oldham, who stated...

"The Government had sold 395 tonnes of gold since July 1999. The sales raised £1.9billion. At today's prices those sales would have been worth, er, £5.7billion."

Difference between those two figures, is £3.8billion. 3.8 billion (Nu Liebour) against 3.4 billion (Tories). Neither is good of course but remember to quote this everytime a labour drone spouts off about black wednesday.

The change Barry O'Bama represents could not be more different from that offered by Dave. Obama is offering a shift away from Conservative policies and Conservative leadership in the USA. A change to progressive politics, progressive redistributive economics, change to internationalism, and in every regard change from what Cameron is probably offering.

I thought this was a very predictable but not very bright sound bite from a light weight.

The way in which Obama is experienced where Cameron is an ingenue is on REAL LIFE, struggling economically, overcoming obstacles, representing everyman against a constipated old order.

It has been quite pleasant reading the positive comments of people like Andy @ 11.07 and others above, but of course they HAVE to be balanced by the much more usual negative and mean little digs and assumptions like Chris Paul above. Mr. Paul is obviously clairvoyant and knows ALL about 'life', so he is able - at a glance to judge a man, through and through - without ANY REFERENCE at all to the one word ---- ETON and niggles of personal envy! :-OOOOOO(

Posted by: Michael McGowan | November 05, 2008 at 12:40

Resident leftie, why the need to introduce irrelevant nonsense about Tory policies, real (or more likely in your case) imagined? Perhaps you can focs instead on the much more relevant question of why Barack Obama has opposed the Swedish model and thereby condemned American children to substandard schooling.

I addressed the point because Malcolm mentioned it.

As for top-ups, you must be heart-broken that Labour has at last relented from its position that it is better for people to die of cancer than to explode the myth that the NHS provides top-quality cancer care free at the point of use.

I'm not happy about it. Let's wait for a relevant thread though, eh?

Why a left wing American President with odd ideas should be good news for the Tories is a little beyond me but, there, I always was a sceptic.

Sorry Margaret Young, you are wrong. Replace Osborne with Ken Clarke and leave William where he is.

Hi, Riaz Dooley.
Congaurlations eh? If I'm going to die, I definitely don't want to die of that, it sounds extremely unpleasant.

On second thoughts. Is it a new South American dance?

I have to get out of this country. The so-called conservatives are so in love with socialism, I don't understand how they think they are any different or better than Labour?
Socialism = more power to politicians. More power to politicians = corruption. Charismatic politicians with vague unspecific slogans = LIARS who really want that power.

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