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Don't know why Iain. London Tory just seems to want Cameron/Osborne to shout louder (that really worked for Hague, IDS,Howard didn't it?) and ACT spouts his usual mindless anti Conservative garbage.

Ken Clarke for shadow chancellor! Very popular and knows what he's on about...

The way Cameron pronounces "Change" is now irritating me.

" We need CCccHhhhange"
It sounds as though he is slurping soup whilstspeaking!

Most annoying!

Posted by: Freddie Fencepost | October 17, 2008 at 09:41

Alan Johnston calls for grown up politics. i.e Don't criticise Labour failings! Duh?

The true scale of Cameron's political failure
ACT,

Crewe and Nantwich, Henley?
What a pathetic, typical smarmy oik you are, Sir. If this were Guido's blog I would be a tad more explicit.
Labour are doomed by failure in every corner of our lives. Education trashed, I quote your stupid hero, Blair "Comprehensive education a failed experiment". Create grammar schools but call them city academies.
Social cohesion and the gap between rich and poor. Why are the most deprived areas in the Land Labour constituencies with money hosed at them for ten plus years yet remain a slum cess pit life style? What have their labour MPs done for them. Glasgow East shot that rabbit, by golly. You socialists and your dogma are an utter disgrace. I was borne into poverty and good old fashioned Conservative values helped me out plus a lot of tough hard work, now wrecked by this pathetic Government and it's raid on pensions and usual economic incompetence. As for "Brown and Darling most trusted on the economy" BBC poll today. Who did that poll? OCL? "Gordon's Pollster Deborah Mattinson Slammed for Dodgy Polling". Bet Campbell and Lord Sleaze, (enobled for corruption) are on that board of directors!
Dave Cameron is a more honest and decent human being than anyone of you socialist cretins. Alan Johnson wants grown up politics, pah! As for George Osborne, if DC rates him in that job, works for me. Now if he dumped Caroline Spelman we could really dig into the high ground.
As for Labour's spinmeisters, how much of our taxes are funding their life style? As for The Labour Party's economic brilliance, they are bankrupt without the corrupt union barons' largesse with their members funds. How much do unions payout for unemployed members versus Labour party donations? Come on Draper, Campbell trolls, tell us from your cosy, secure well paid offices, how much for the real workers of the UK.

While I'm sorry that Cllr Dunn finds 'mindless' my 'garbage', and not, as it is meant to be, bigoted, unreasonable and ungenerous, he's notably wrong on one point. It's most certainly not 'anti-Conservative'. That the Cllr Dunn thinks that standing up for Thatcherism, and arguing against the nationalisation of private commercial error is anti-Conservative says, I'm afraid, more about his relationship with Conservatism than it does mine. But if we wants to accuse me of being an Anti-Cameron Tory, by all means do.

And thanks for that rant from Mr Dowding too. One teeny-tinsy interruption of reality though: of the two people he dilates upon, me and Dave, only one of us declared himself to be the 'heir to Blair'. Otherwise, I can only agree with all his criticisms of Blairism, Draperism, Socialism, crooked partisan pollsters and all the rest of it. That said, it's probably a great kindness that M Dowing hasn't yet worked out quite why Cameron declared himself to be the heir to Blair, Blairism, Draperism, Socialism, crooked partisan pollsters and, well, you get the picture (welat any ratel, everyone but MD does).

"Come on Draper, Campbell trolls, tell us from your cosy, secure well paid offices, how much for the real workers of the UK."

Agree with you, M Dowding - as I agree with many of your sensible posts!

We have to be careful though - if we accuse people of being trolls we may end up simply getting our wrists slapped by the Editor...

Conservative MP's just can't be bothered to do the dirty work of politics, and even after 10 years in opposition Labour are more hungry to cling onto power than Conservative MP’s, ambitionless, who’ve contented themselves with an easy life in opposition.

Posted by: Iain | October 17, 2008 at 15:20

I think this says it all but unfortunately it has been like this for a long long time. I suggest Cameron was reacting to this, a starting point is that Brown is as responsible as anyone for this mess and in comparison to other countries comes out as the most incompetent finance minister in the western world. Would you want to rely on him to solve the problems?

The Brown bounce is politics, Cameron's response has to be politics. It beggars belief that people on this site are demanding detailed policy proposals from the Brtish opposition party when governments all over the world don't know what to do.

Right now it's the politics stupid and, as ever on such occasions, the left are better at it. And not just the MPs, Geoff Randell merely demonstrates he is as much a right wing wimp as the rest when, so help me, he turns the situation on its head to attack the Conservatives.

I have just checked a local newspaper and Osborne turned up in Lancashire to-day with a plan to get local authorities with Icelandic bank accounts off the hook. That's pretty detailed, the government havn't a plan but it's much more fun having an anti-Osborne hysterical outburst than getting the head down to what is happening and what plans (particualy Conservative plans) exist.

"I have just checked a local newspaper and Osborne turned up in Lancashire to-day with a plan to get local authorities with Icelandic bank accounts off the hook. That's pretty detailed, the government havn't a plan but it's much more fun having an anti-Osborne hysterical outburst than getting the head down to what is happening and what plans (particualy Conservative plans) exist."

That is interesting David, because I see that David Cameron's speech is already disappearing into the ether. I made the point on PB.com yesterday that the big story still to unfold was collapse of the Icelandic banks and the ramifications for organisations in the UK. The reporting in the mainstream media has been slow and random so far, with no joined up narrative that shows the true scale of the damage.

While Brown is accepting plaudits for saving our banking system, he is not yet being put under enough scrutiny about the fact that we have just been hit by a devastating failure of the banking system in another country, with many vital UK organisations being badly stung. This is being handled very badly by the government, and mark my words, its another 10p tax fiasco sitting bubbling over on the back burner.

Saw some of the most bare faced cheek on Labourhome yesterday, when a regular there posted an article and held up a newspaper article as proof that the FSA were not too blame! I am unable to link to it because the site appears to be down at the moment.
But, if a Labour luvvie is desperately scrambling around posting old newspaper articles, then you can bet that this is going to be one very big political hot potato.

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