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Why aren't the Conservatives doing better?

That seems to be a question on the minds of many commentators at the moment.  Peter Riddell noted yesterday that the Tories were still seeking the knockout blow.  The topic is also on David Cameron's mind.  In a briefing to frontbenchers on Tuesday he said that he was working towards a 45% poll rating for the Conservatives.  He noted underlying improvements in the party's position - especially on economic competence.  After years of being 20% or more behind on measures of economic trust, the Tories are now level-pegging with Labour or slightly ahead.  At the frontbenchers meeting David Cameron joked that when the Tories are well ahead on measures of economic competence, that will be the time that George Osborne challenges him for the leadership.  George smiled broadly at this point!

So, why are the Tories at about 40% (40.2% in ConservativeHome's latest poll of polls) rather than 45%?

Steve Richards, in today's Independent, thinks it may be policy "fuzziness": "The fuzziness is reflected in some contradictory policy announcements. Cameron calls for schools to be set free and yet is prescriptive about what should be taught, most recently grabbing headlines about the methods required to ensure kids can read by the time they are six. More widely at yesterday's Prime Minister's Question Time, Cameron asked two questions that implied support for rises in public spending on defence and prison-building yet his overall policy is to spend the proceeds of growth on tax cuts as well as expenditure."

Daleyjanetblackbackgroun_2 Janet Daley, Telegraph, worried that Cameron's devastation of Brown at PMQs (watch this as an example) may be endangering Cameron's nice guy image: "Mr Cameron has traded heavily - and successfully - on being a nice guy. Looking like the sadist of the lower sixth egging on a baying gang of henchmen is not consistent with his engaging New Conservative image and particularly not with the year and a half that was devoted to a Not-The-Nasty-Party-Any-More public relations campaign."

Fraser Nelson has warned the Tories to be on the alert at charges of elitism: "When Cameron first threw his hat into the ring as leader, many Tories asked aloud if an Etonian could really be party leader. Not from a sense of inverted snobbery, but because they feared the left would caricature the Tories as being of the rich for the rich. The Daily Mirror has indeed done this remorselessly, hunting for stories that play to this theme. And on Monday, they found one."

My own opinion... Things are going well for the Conservatives but there's been too much tactics and too little strategy of late.  This should be a time for deepening the Conservative agenda and for anticipating the 'Clegg effect'.  Have we, for example, been studying the Orange Book?  That book may provide many clues to the likely new LibDem leader's approach and we should be preparing attack lines and plundering it for the best ideas.

Instead we've been playing too much politics.  Tuesday's decision by our party to debate party funding was a mistake and not just because Quentin Letts was horrified by the spectacle of MPs throwing mud at each other - although that was predictable.  Voters are more interested in competence.  Unfortunately they think most politicians are sleazy but they hope, as Libby Purves has argued, that they're capable of "keep[ing] the trains (and the taxmen) on the rails." 

We should be allowing the Daily Mail and Guido Fawkes etc to take the lead in exposing Labour sleaze; we should be getting on with presenting the positive Conservative alternative.  Before the Brown takeover, David Cameron wasted too many PMQs on the Brown-Blair rivalry.  It was, as the Americans say, all inside-the-Beltway stuff.  Those PMQs - and PMQs now - should nearly always be used to reinforce David Cameron's image as a statesman with a broad interest in the challenges facing Britain.

There's no need for worry but no Conservative should underestimate the task still ahead.

Comments

Tim, I agree with your take on this. Interestingly your analysis is shared by Alistair Campbell, whom I heard speak at a recent event. He said Cameron was all tactics without strategy.

The question is: what is the strategy? For Blair it was - apparently - "modernisation". "Change" - although vital - is not a destination. The rhetoric has been there, but we need to hear more of it.

How many votes have the Conservatives 'lost' since 1992? How many people have worked out- whoever gets in, eventually all will become mired in incompetence and sleaze? How many people have worked out that whoever gets into power all the main questions facing people today will be fudged ( EU, Housing, immigration...)? Thank God, up here in Scotland we have the 'two fingers to the lot of 'em' alternative- the SNP! I shan't bother voting in the GenElec next time- there is no need!

I made a point in a similar vain on my blog a few days ago but also that the last thing the party needs is 'helpful' comments from friends. Not that anyone needs to take a Trappist vow, merely that we all need to be careful how we phrase our advice etc.

I don't think we've helped ourselves by attacking Labour on sleaze. We need to stay above it all.

We need to remind people that NuLab inherited an economy that was coming out of the doldrums, had had its radical surgery, and was on the up. Indeed, we should make the point that Gordo did very little to the inherited model and plans and actually said that.
It was only later when he started dabbling with extra public spending and all the PFI/PPP deals that the wheels started wobbling and he resorted to those infamous stealth taxes.
Public perception is, that whomsoever is in power will bleed the taxpayer dry. This needs to be addressed, very carefully, as the counter mantra is that propagated by the unions of public service sector cuts and loss of services. In 10 years of NuLab spend, our public sector has received record investment (yet another piece of spin and propaganda for waste) which has resulted in zero improvements and record declines.
That 10 years has also seen an increase in the creation of our junkie state with the people dependant on increasingly lavish and macro-managed handouts from the state.
Dc has started doing a decent job, let him get on with it. He is gracefully demolishing the clunking fist rather than the vicious manner that NuLab wanted to destroy the Tories. As for the sleaze all hands to the pumps here please, its an easy target and we should make hay, as in the same way NuLab did to us, though rather more efficiently !!.

In real elections we would get close to 45% now.

We should not underestimate the extent to which we have recovered from a low base.

A good win for Boris Johnson in London is vital for momentum.

A couple of months ago Labour had a 11% lead in some of the polls. Now the Tories have a 11% lead in some of the polls.

Isn't that a massive swing to the Tories?
Before the Tory conference did you really believe that such a large swing could happen in such a short space of time?

The challenge over the next few months is to get the gap slowly edging up for a sustainable double digit lead.

It is incredible how quickly people can think a General Election is won two years ahead of time because the government gets embroiled in some sleaze. The Conservatives need to do so much more to convince people that they are a government in waiting rather than a lesser of two evils.

The Lib Dem bounce will be coming up shortly with a new leader so expect that to dent Conservative poll ratings by a few points, thereby robbing us of an overall majority.

You heard it here first.

Our frontbench is still part-time. Francis Maude, rightly panned by Quentin Letts for his performance in the Tuesday debate, has loads of outside interests. An inventive, committed shadow cabinet could be worth 1% or 2% in terms of media exposure, connecting with voting groups and devising winning policies.

Jennifer I think we have to attack the sleaze particularly where it concerns financial probity. But it is equally important that we keep our own house in order; I'm assuming that DC knows where all the big money is coming from. Brown had a vital resposibility there and he has failed which is why we must attack.

On a positive note we need to promote our local agenda but we must mean what we say. Local police accountability via elected Chief Constables; I particularly liked elected mayors/chief execs that hezzer promulgated at confernce. So some local (labour & illiberal dems) authorities will go mad but that will prove our point.

I think it possible to both attack labour's dishonesty and build our programme.

DC's tactics in PMQs are fine, so long as they remain as constructive as possible with sneering kept to a minumum. Brown is a pathetic speaker and must be exposed. however, PMQs, like the Brown-Blair rivalry is also 'inside the beltway' stuff, it must be underpinned by a strategy that reaches out, and on this they can do more. but with IHT, stamp duty, and recent school policies they are off and running

After all the disasters of 78-79 Mrs Thatcher was not 11% ahead in the polls so I don't think we're in such a bad position now. That is not in any way to be complacent but to go from where we were 2 months ago to now is quite an achievement.
Cameron wants to go further and was urging his troops according to Ben Brogan to work harder, it's gtood advice, too many Shadow Cabinet members are invisible.

What is Conservative Home doing to prepare the ground for Clegg taking over the Lib Dems?

A number of times, I've logged on hoping to add my thoughts on a lib Dem leadership thread, and there hasn't been anything.

I think, to borrow the Clinton cliche, 'it's the economy stupid'.

Until the economy takes a downturn (which would appear to be imminent) a significant number of people remain largely unaffected by the tax/borrow/spend philosophy of Labour. They have made up shortfalls in their income by using credit cards and re-mortgaging their house. This is about to end.

Not only will people start hurting but they will be far more receptive to Conservative ideas of lower taxation and a smaller state.

Not long to wait.

There may be 'legacy' issues at play here which may be retarding our trajectory. Grammar Schools, Huskies, Bullingdon and so on.

But I'll maintain that in the age of retail politics its not enough to trash the competitor's product to sell your own.

Our brand is still too fuzzy. That means people don't know whether to buy into our agenda, even if they are mightily upset by the alternative.

We should be aware that in this situation the some of the 5% the Leader would like is more likely to come from the still inflated 'others' vote. Greens, nationalists, regionalists, special interests such as hospital campaigners. In other words people who need to be convinced we stand for something.

Lib Dems have this approach of building a coalition using policy. They are out of the game because of leadership issues and their pro-Labour/anti-Tory slant.

If we are to close this deal its going to mean more definition to our presentation. There's still plenty of time and these opinion poll leads represent preferences more than loyalties. Easy come, easy go.

Maybe a weary cynicism about politics in general? Will the next lot really be any better than the last lot, seems to be the feeling. Where are the policies to enthuse? Where are the policies that are different in real substance from those of the competition?

I suspect that the Tories will win the next election on the basis of the present mob being a shambles, rather than through positive motivation for the showcase of policies. That outcome would be fine by me, in terms of booting NuLab out, but it would be so much nicer if, at least in part, the Tories victory arose from distinctively different policies.

I can't agree with Janet Daley. Politics is a knockabout business and everyone involves has to have a vicious streak otherwise they just wouldn't survive. David Cameron's anger at PMQs reflects the anger of the country. He must continue to show that, when Labour screw up and damage our country David Cameron and other Conservatives must launch a vicious tirade. We can't let a government, any government, get away with failure.

Q: What are we saying on core issues?
A: Not a lot.

The other factor is that a lot of Labour voters have decided to indicate that they are not going to vote Labour and are in the "lets be friends" part of ending a relationship.

These voters are yet to commit to another party, so it will take a little time for them to get back in the dating game.

We just need to look professional and some of the shadow cabinet need to work harder.

There also remain some very weak systems in the party's operation which Caroline Spellman seems unable to improve, even though she has a reduced range of responsibilities.

Any chance of the Lord Ashcroft boil being lanced by just dropping his donations to £50k now that we are so flush? Maybe he should do it voluntarily?

One other factor impeding growth is the woeful support in Scotland. 12% and 13% there is acting as a drag on our overall numbers.

Scottish Conservatives needs a new Leader and someone to sort out the internal party there.

A timely warning to DC and co -- if they're as good as I hope they are they'll pay heed to Mr Ed's wise words

Alan S, yes Maude's performance was poor. He just looked tired. The chap has too many commitments and seems too stupid to understand that.

'I can't agree with Janet Daley' -Tony M. No. Neither do I about this and almost everything else. The Telegraph does itself no favours employing such a columnist.

For God sake have some patience. What Cameron has achieved in the last couple of months is nothing but amazing. This swing started after the Tory conference and the latest Labour sleaze has only added slightly to the swing. You've got to remember how many of labour's voters are working for the government or drawing benefits. It will take time to win these people over. As for any LibDem revival after the leadership election, we don't need to worry too much as most of the LibDem's gains will come from labour. So while our points may not rise much above the 40% mark, the gap should still widen between us and Labour.

All this talk of why aren't we doing better is not helping.

We are about to enter into an economic downturn, then it will be interesting to see if Gordon Brown's self-cultivated image for economic competence holds up. The Labour economy has been an illusion anyway, their much vaunted grown has only been generated through credit led demand, so it was always going to be a temporary thing. Now that the credit has dried up Gordon Brown can't keep creating the illusion of growth. Real long-term economic growth can only be achieved by supporting the supply-side, and not through credit creating artificial demand. I've always maintained that the economy would sink Labour because Labour's economic miracle has been built on tick.

"We can't let a government, any government, get away with failure."

Unfortunately many Tory MP's aren't up to the job and let the Government off the hook, after all its not just at 12pm on Wednesday that the Conservatives need to hold the Government to account, its 24/7, and as we saw on Any Questions, the likes of Caroline Spelman, even when offered an open goal, wasn't able to score against them.

But apart from feeling that the second tier of Conservative spokesmen aren't up to the job, I believe there is incoherence in Conservative policy areas which is also setting the party back. I realise that George Osborne is the current pin up boy in the Conservative party ranks, but I think people are over hyping one announcement on IHT, for other than that he has made precious little head way on economic matters, and with the economy turning down the Conservatives shouldn't be just sitting and watching , but George Osborne out there putting down markers in order that people see there is an alternative.

Another for instance is housing, here the Conservatives are in great danger of being wrong footed by Brown's house building plans, for he is going to paint the Conservative party as Nimby's. The counter to this strategy is to show up the housing crisis as a product of Labour's mass immigration policy, and you do this by opening up a debate on population sustainability.

Firstly we shouldn't uneccesarily beat ourselves over the head. We are doing well, its not all becuase Labour are doing badly. People have warmed to our approach when we have put across positive and practical ideas about what we would do. However we do need to balance attacks on a failing Labour with a clearer picture of what we stand for. That is emerging and needs to be punctuated by a roll-out of regular ideas and messages that build up a strong positive, aspiring and quite patriotic picture of where we wish to take this country.

Matt

Iain, yes, there needs to be a co-ordinated rapid-response team ready to pounce the minute any Labour failure is announced, ready to get quotes from the shadow cabinet and have those quotes beamed around the media. The ideal persons to do the job would have to have aggressive media skills. The shadow cabinet need to be looking for an opportunity to strike at Labour falsehoods, like the much vaunted claims that we have 'full employment' everytime Labour make that claim it should be debunked with the facts.

conservativevoter: "What is Conservative Home doing to prepare the ground for Clegg taking over the Lib Dems? A number of times, I've logged on hoping to add my thoughts on a lib Dem leadership thread, and there hasn't been anything."

I have the results of our survey to publish soon. I'll try and do it by early next week.

Why aren't the Tories doing better? The first question is why are they doing well.

1. The leader isn't completely unelectable like the last three.

2. The party appears to be united, or at least its unity is not currently a subject of note amongst the press.

3. Finally, and most importantly, the government has been unlucky, and has handled it badly. The press vultures are circling.

So, why not better? Because the Tories don't look like an alternative to the current government. Their front bench is full of peculiar looking relics who don't even register on the public's imagination. Cameron looks plausible but not statesmanlike. He doesn't appear to have the grit needed to run the country - he appears to be soft and weak. Finally, the Tories are pretending to be something they are not. The one time the Tories came up with a policy that was true to their beliefs, it was popular - and that is the inheritance tax suggestion. If you have principles,and are true to them, policies which match the principles, instead of scurrying around after the latest fad, you'll get higher poll ratings.

IIRC isn't is Mr Cameron's 2nd anniversary today?

The lack of love for us should not come as a surprise to any of us, and it certainly should not bring about a knee jerk reaction. We have never been a LIKED party. Certainly not since Thatcher came in, and probably (though I havent studied the 60's and 70's much) not really since Macmillan. Thatcher won elections on competence and because the opposition was unelectable. It's not as if she was ever regarded with warmth by the majority of the public. We represent the old ruling class -we are perceived as 'posh', and in a society where every shred of deference has now disintegrated, to be identified as posh is to be a ridiculous novelty (Boris Johnson)at best, and a despised minority at worst.

The criticism I hear levelled at Cameron again and again is 'smarmy'. Never mind that Tony Blair was every bit as posh; he got away with it. People have a huge problem of being lorded over by someone with a plummy accent. They don't like to be reminded that there is a class above them that others belong to. I saw a focus group (Labour infiltrated I think, but still) on a news programme viewing Cameron's conference speech, and they hated it when he adressed his priveleged upbringing. They said it was insulting to think they would be prejuiced against him for being posh, yet in the next breath they were all saying he'd probably never been in a real school, and a load of utterly prejudiced drivel. None of them seemed to realise (or want to realise) the glaring contradiction in what they were saying. It's not a logical thing, it's a subconcious but very powerful gut reaction that people have against us, I'm utterly sure of it.

The only solution really is what we are doing already, detoxifying the brand, displaying positive and logical policies, and presenting a compelling alternative to Labour. Eventually when it comes down to it people will overcome their feelings and vote for us, and hopefully learn to love us.

Having left the Party for UKIP because of Dave and his direction, I am rather amazed at the above. Whilst I am profoundly depressed that my Party of 30 years is now some metropolitan, liberal slightly harder version of the LibDems, you all seem to be doing rather well.

Ok, I do think Brown would have won a GE quite easily if he'd called it. However, he didn't and Dave / Gideon have played a blinder since then, hence the strong poll ratings. Two years is a long time, politically, but there is now a real possibility of a Conservative Government. I may personally not like what I see, but credit to Dave et al., they have made the most of the New Labour project unravelling. I wish they wouldn't admire and ape so much of it, but that's for another day and another thread.

As the Editor rightly suggests:

"Those PMQs - and PMQs now - should nearly always be used to reinforce David Cameron's image as a statesman with a broad interest in the challenges facing Britain".

The polls are probably still volatile - a swing of 22% takes some explaining, apart from an excellent conference speech and a whole lot of disasters for Brown.

Passingleftie claims that we still don't look like an alternative government and, whilst I think we have made huge strides here since the conference, s/he has something of a point.

Recently, DC has made a point of allowing other members of the shadow cabinet to have their say in the media and that is working. We have seen several others than just Osborne, Hague, Davis and Fox and the others are good.

We need now to work on justifying our lead by filling in the details and demonstrating that we are more competent than the government. If we can't do that in the present climate, then we are not a fit alternative but I believe that we are.

You mentioned the other day, Editor, the formation of an implementation unit and I believe that there is a very fertile thread there for us to add our suggestions.

Finally, DC might ad lib a bit more at PMQs. He had two wonderful examples yesterday: one was when Brown claimed to have spent a lot more on Defence than we did, surely DC could have riposted that we had a Ministry of Defence, whereas Nulab has only had a Ministry of War.

Secondly, Brown made his usual claim about inheriting an economic mess from the tories. Cannot someone (Ken Clarke?) please rebut this deceit by quoting exactly what the balance of payments surplus was that Brown inherited and what the deficit is now?

"...The only solution really is what we are doing already, detoxifying the brand, displaying positive and logical policies, and presenting a compelling alternative to Labour..." simon 12:29

I'd have thought that apart from being spot-on that is also fairly strategic, if one defines tactical as scoring points over daily events. Just because the cunning AC says something we don't necessarily have to assume that he believes it or is trying to be helpful to us. Can't help feeling, now it's all water under the bridge, that the hysteria of CH threads during July and August did much to feed a media story about what Fraser Nelson referred to over at the Speccie as "the doomed Tories". (Actually come to think of it, that's a bit Pte Fraser too.) I doubt that lasting public sentiment in the summer was quite so anti-Tory or right now quite so pro-Tory as polls show. I'm sure Brown would have won easily enough if he'd gone to the country immediately after Blair's retirement, what might have happened in mid-November is anybody's guess and in Spring 2010 it's for Cameron to lose. Meanwhile it could certainly argued that steady persistence as well as subtle strategy (cunning plans?) might work quite well.

I have just got to this thread and having read the Editors ideas on the subject, I proceeded to the first posting - I am afraid that if anybody is going to take a comment by Alistair Campbell of all people, as advice that might be worth taking for the party in opposition to him...... I would probably do the opposite of what he said!

I know our policy is to impose limits on immigration, but we need to be reminding people more about that.

WHY are we so frightened to talk about that?

NW Supporter, no the party should be talking about population sustainability, not immigration ( it will be immigration by default, for that's what's driving population growth ) for by talking about population sustainability it neuters Labour's and the BBC's racism charge, it also meshes well with Cameron’s green agenda, for you can't have environmental sustainability without population sustainability, which puts Labour and the BBC on the back foot with their incoherent stance on global warming yet also pursuing population growth here ( via immigration), and it would be a useful argument to challenge Gordon Brown's house building plans on, rather than what is going to happen where Brown will accuses Conservative councils of being Nimby's for not wanting their areas covered in housing estates.


PS I have yet to hear the BBC accuse Labour of being racist with their plans to stop unskilled non EU migrants gaining entrance to the UK, as the BBC ( Humphries on the Today program ) accused Damien Green of racism when the Conservatives suggest that immigration could be cut by limiting non EU migration, a policy the BBC immediately called racist.

"no the party should be talking about population sustainability, not immigration"

Its this politically correct avoidance of the main concern for people ie immigration that is making Cameron and the party look ineffectual

At the moment immigration and its related aspects is an open goal. It is in all media outlets everyday but Cameron and most of the front liners are generally afraid (or told not) to speak about it. And people wonder why we are not higher in the polls!

I can just visualise Thatcher cringing in fear at the thought of upsetting the liberal left BBC and heaven forbid Labour the opposition. They might even come back and claim racism - oh no we can't cope with that!

The immigration debate, which the left has tried to anchor to racism, is now no longer taboo. One of the main reasons being that most of the immigration coming into our country is now white. Labour's entire approach to racism is bizarre. The practice of positive discrimination is of itself racist and very insulting to members of the black an Asian communities. Its as good as saying they are not good enough to get jobs on their own merit and have to be given a leg up. I hope the future Conservative government will end this patronizing and racist culture.

"Its this politically correct avoidance of the main concern for people ie immigration that is making Cameron and the party look ineffectual"

No its actually the heart of the issue, and its my view that the Conservatives make the tactical mistake in getting embroiled in the consequences of population growth, the provision of houses, transport, public services, whilst failing to raise with the core issue, population growth, a problem they can lay at the door and blame on the Labour Government who have failed to have any view on this, other than Blunket's, who saw no limits to population growth. I think the electorate would be much more impressed with the Conservatives if they identified the core divers of the problems, rather than trying to out bid the Government on dealing with the consequences of the problems.


I agree with Tony Makara, and 'Daily Referendum @ 11.41, but I also think that David Belchamber @ 12.51 made some good points, particularly in his last paragraph about the balance of payments surplus that Brown inherited, which has turned into a deficit now.

I don't think that the general abrasiveness of the TV media and confrontational attitude of some interviewers should be underestimated, and because of that some of the newer 'faces' in the shadow cabinet could do with a sort of induction, so that they don't look less effective than they really are in front of the public.

Much for agreement here, especially George Hinton @ 10.46.

IMHO the last two PMQs show that DC is striking the right balance in demolishing the Out Of Control Freak. The sleaze is definitely something to be talked up politely but firmly at all times.

It is also encouraging to note that all of the past talk of "heir to Blair" has evidently been ditched. We can see in any event that the actual recipient of the poisoned chalice of Blair's legacy is proving himself to be a reversal of the Midas principle - everything he touches is turning to base metal, if not to rust.

To answer the main question, let's look at it through the eyes of an elector. "OK, I'm never going to vote for that lot again. Now convince me why I should vote for your lot. Are you seriously going to clear up the mess and make this country fit to live in again, or would you just sweep it all under the carpet?"

In other words, it's what to do about the ratchet effect of socialism. Who knows - the moment we make it clear (with more specific examples) that we don't simply aspire to manage the existing set up better than Labour, and that we will dismantle the ratchet with a view to reversing it, might be the moment that questions of the kind that started this thread off will go away altogether.

We all know what you mean by a deepening of the Conservative agenda - back to 30% in the polls


I'm not sure that Passing Leftie will welcome my agreement, but he makes some telling points in that analysis.

There is, I think, quite a strong desire to chuck out this government, among the public, but at the same time, real scepticism about whether we can do any better.

Well I don't want to be complacent but we're doing light years better than we were in the summer. Don't forget three polling organisations are showing us with the biggest lead since 1988 and Labour down to its core vote.

We hardly need to be doing as well as Labour did in the mid-1990s to ensure an election victory, considering that led up to the biggest landslide since 1935.
Maybe the word "even" should be inserted between "doing" and "better" in that question. We should be patient.

I say we should be asking this question in a years' time, if we even need to. This post does smack a bit of negativism in my opinion.

What a grubby little story the Mirror has dredged up ... and how clearly it seems to be making something out of nothing. The truth I would imagine is that Jack and Doreen were indeed invited to pop in before the other guests who were obviously personal friends of the Camerons had dinner! I would hazard a guess that Jack and Doreen are staunch Socialists and couldn't resist the opportunity to take a swipe at the Conservatives - duly helped (or exploited perhaps?) by one of the most left wing newspapers still surviving!!
If David and Samantha need to learn anything from this experience it is that they should be a little more careful who they invite through their doors in future.

I agree Votedave: "even" between "doing" and "better" would have been fairer. Thank you.

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