MCB to lobby Sudan on Darfur

Only a few years late but hey, what's the rush! Maybe now the Muslim Council of Britain will feel able to speak out against all the other atrocities committed by Muslim terrorists and dictatorships. Or maybe it will revert to crying "Islamophobia" when Muslim youths beat up a priest for being a priest and deploring the government for blocking al-Qaradawi's visa...

Comments

[Richard Calhoun]

What exactly is the point you are trying to make???

[Dontmakemelaugh]

What exactly is the point you are trying to make???

Posted by: Richard Calhoun | March 28, 2008 at 11:39

Probably a point similar to Geert Wilders, but in a more restrained way. Are you a dhimmi or just dim.

The 15-minute 'documentary' juxtaposes images of Islam’s holy book with the 9/11 terror attacks and other bombings

Recommended viewing for Mr Calhoun.
I haven't seen it myself because I find having to walk around with police protection such a bore. I believe in an ever expanding multi - culti society and like Brown in paying extra benefits for polygamy. I think the accelerating Islamisation of Britain is a good thing and will lead to greater cohesion and I fully agree with the Archvillian of Canterbury and the Bishopric (careful how you say it) of Oxford. I love England.

PS: My em-migration papers have just been approved.

[Samuel Coates]

Sorry Richard, isn't what I'm saying self-explanatory?

The MCB spends its time raging against petty things in the UK without directing any energy to criticising (or at least distancing themselves away from) those purporting to be Muslims who are committing infinitely worse abuses than anything the MCB accuses people in Britain of doing. Worse than that, it tends to defend the indefensible.

[Gege]

The MCB has dug its own grave.

For the sake of power and glory, it sought to present itself as the supreme controller of british muslims.

However, when it is held responsible for muslims' actions, it claims it is being treated unfairly.

On the other hand, I am not comfortable with commentators like Melanie Phillips who tend to over-hype the situation and create a grand muslim conspiracy.

[Anthony Broderick]

I remain sceptical of this new found sense of persepctive until I hear what they say to the Sudanese.....

[George Hinton]

The MCB is not a representative voice of the muslim community in the UK.
Their continued existence and acceptance by governmental bodies simply perpetuates the divisions that have arisen as a result of multiculturism.
There would be widespread revulsion from the left if someone set up an E(english)CB, so why do we allow the MCB breath and give them a patina of respectability.
The MCB is simply jumping on the band wagon albeit the late second comers.
They will not condemn the actions of their so-called brothers as they risk becoming the target of Islamic extremists and criticism risks undoing their faith in the Koran, its teachings and the ultimate aim of a single united global muslim entity.

[Richard Calhoun]

I think the attacks on the MCB are self defeating.
Let's be honest there has been a lot of unjustified hype and criticism of Muslims in this country.
Dontmakemelaugh - Your fear of Muslims is unrealistic, the many violent crimes committed in the UK are not Muslim related.

Quite honestly if people took a more mature attitude to the Muslim faith and looked at the reality of the Muslim community in the UK we would not have to listen to all the unjustified attacks on them.

As for the attack by the Muslim youths attacking and killing the priest I did not realise that they were drunk/drug fuelled which I would suggest indicates it was not a religious attack, just a mindless attack on someone who is different.

[Dontmakemelaugh]

On the other hand, I am not comfortable with commentators like Melanie Phillips who tend to over-hype the situation and create a grand muslim conspiracy.

Posted by: Gege | March 28, 2008 at 12:56

Well Gege, I suppose if someone was said to be developing the H bomb and also said that, they were going to wipe Israel of the face of the earth, you could well get hyped somewhat. Especially if you were familiar with history of the life and teachings of the founder of Islam (as Melainie Phillips is), of which the president of Iran is a firm believer, follower and apparently fanatical devotee.

[Richard Calhoun]

Dontmakemelaugh

I do believe you are paranoid about the Muslims in this country.

I would suggest some serious study on your part and perhaps you will not then be carried away with your own hype.

The Muslim community in this country are a strong family minded community with disciplines that we ourselves observed 40 years ago as a community.

[Mr Angry]

Richard Calhoun, I am amazed at your attitude which is in contradiction or ignorance of the basic facts. In Britain we have been subjected to murderous terrorist attacks undertaken by British Muslims in the name of Islam, yet you seem to have forgotten that. You seem to have forgotten about the arrests of a not inconsiderable number of young British Muslims for various offences relating to the preparation of terrorist acts.You seem to be ignoring the loud and frequent calls from British Muslims for our nation to bend to their way of life rather than them integrating into ours.

If the "disciplines" that you refer to are those of subjugating women, an acceptance of domestic violence, a total refusal to accept any criticism, violent homophobia, deeply ingrained anti semitism and the formenting of violence and terrorism as an acceptable means to achieve your aims, then I am glad that the wider community abandoned them long ago.

Sadly you are deluding yourself very badly, but seemingly not managing to delude very many others as yet.

[Dontmakemelaugh]

Reply to comment Posted by: Richard Calhoun | March 28, 2008 at 15:39

Mr Calhoun: I have read much in connection with Islam. Nothing portrayed in the film Fitna comes of any surprise. My view of the Moslem culture would be in harmony with that expressed by Churchill. It is not the ordinary Muslims that concern me: it is the power of the leadership to radicalize and the ranters to mesmerise and the fact that Islam is just as much a political ideology as a religion. I am quite prepared to live and let live, but much of the Muslim leadership is not prepared to be tolerant in following its creed.
Trevor Phillips has criticised Multiculturalism. Islam and Christianity are civilizations apart. It will be a mistake to continue to pander and appease dogmatic Muslim leadership.
The indigenous British will continue to be tolerant, but my view is that our politicians will continue to make an appeasing hash of it and I view the future not with so much hope, but with unease. (read Trevor Phillips).

As for your accusation of being paranoid, Mr Calhoun I refer you to the comment made by Mr Angry at 1812 - he answers for me.

Time will tell. We must hope it will be on our side, but heads in the sand is not the answer

[Richard Calhoun]

Mr Angry
I am well aware of the attacks you refer to and I am also aware of 30 years of terrorism by the IRA, based in Eire and financed by supporters in the USA.

However that does not leave me anti Irish or anti American, or criticising their culture.

You are I am sure fully aware of the disciplines I am referring to that apply to the vast majority of Muslims in this country.

So I repeat my advice given to donotmakemelaugh as follows:

' I would suggest some serious study on your part ( about the UK Muslim community) and perhaps you will not then be carried away with your own hype.'

[Richard Calhoun]

Could someone explain to me why some people making comments hide behind some rather bizarre names instead of using their own??

[Dontmakemelaugh]

Comment by someone calling himself Richard Calhoun @ 00:03 (are you any wiser as to who Mr Calhoun actually is?)

"Mr Angry
I am well aware of the attacks you refer to and I am also aware of 30 years of terrorism by the IRA, based in Eire and financed by supporters in the USA.

However that does not leave me anti Irish or anti American, or criticising their culture".

But you should have criticised their culture of financing terrorism.

We are well aware that the majority of Americans were not financing terrorism just as the majority of Muslims in the UK are not involved in terrorism. We reserve the right to criticise those that are and those that do not wish to integrate.
You state that you are "aware of the attacks you (Mr Angry) refers to". However, where is the criticism of it from you. We are told that all you have is "an awareness". We have all got "an awareness" - some of us comment and criticise it.

[Richard Calhoun]

Dontmakemelaugh

Of course we all criticise terrorist actions, but we should not include all: Muslims, Irish,Arab etc.when we do.

I do not remember even at the worst of the IRA violence that all Irish people were condemned, nor should they have been.

However there are a large number of people who generalise in the case of people who are Muslims, maybe because they are not white???

[Dontmakemelaugh]

Reply to comment Posted by: Richard Calhoun | March 29, 2008 at 14:13

As far as I am aware no-one on this site has criticised all Muslims. I am sure that some view the rantings of some of the more extremist with alarm. That said I believe the "moderates" need leadership that will fetch them to the fore. This might be difficult for them because of the mentality of those that issue death threats on behalf of Allah. We have just seen Liveleak closed down because of such threats.